> I also believe that creator was artistic and had a sense of humor.

He has to have one, given such things as naked mole rats, and GW Shrub.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> 
> 
> My friends, we can speculate all we want, have whatever 
> faiths among us,
> believe however strongly, but can we be so presumptuous as to 
> say we *know*?
> IMHO not in this mortal lifetime. 
> 
> We may all be right, we may all be wrong.
> 
> I'm just awestruck by the scope and grandeur of the universe and its
> complexity.
> My personal choice is to believe there was a creator.
> I also believe that creator was artistic and had a sense of humor.
> 
> You are entirely welcome to your beliefs, and I will respect 
> them, and hope
> you respect mine even if you think I'm wrong.
> 
> I am really enjoying the fact that a bunch of smart, creative 
> people are
> playing "verbal tennis" and having such a good time at it. 
> 
> To me this is "cf-community" at its best.
> 
> Have a wonderful day, everybody. (Seriously.)
> 
> -Ben
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:53 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > 
> > 
> > The first is simpler -- why should G-d be bound by the laws 
> > of the universe 
> > when no universe yet exists?
> > 
> > Again, Larry, your logic rests on the supposition that G-d 
> is not the 
> > infinite and timeless creator. If you believed in G-d in that 
> > way, you 
> > wouldn't be so hung up on proving how the universe came to be.
> > 
> > Judith
> > 
> > >First off, use Occam's Razor. In other words what is the 
> > more simpler of
> > >mechanisms, a mechanism that violates most if not all laws 
> > of the universe -
> > >ie, a big guy with a white beard that waves his hands and 
> > poof - everything,
> > >or a mechanism that consists of simple gradual changes 
> > punctuated by rapid
> > >changes on the fringes of the population distributions?
> > >
> > >larry
> > >
> > >--
> > >Larry C. Lyons
> > >ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > >EBStor.com
> > >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > >tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > >fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > >Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > >--
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:17 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where's the scientific evidence that God isn't the author of the
> > > > evolutionary process?
> > > >
> > > > H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:14 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its still creationism. Just the wolf wearing another sheepskin.
> > > >
> > > > I repeat where is the scientific evidence for it?
> > > >
> > > > larry
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > > > EBStor.com
> > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to clarify, the article in question isn't creationists
> > > > > (in the strict
> > > > > sense of the word) vs. evolutionists, it's supporters of
> > > > > intelligent design
> > > > > vs. no-creator evolutionists.  A much finer parsing of
> > > > > theories than strict
> > > > > creationism against any form of evolution.
> > > > >
> > > > > H.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:52 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: Evolution and Education
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You could argue that view, but strict creationists would
> > > > > argue that the
> > > > > universe sprang from nothingness to completion in only 6
> > > > > days.  Rationaly,
> > > > > it makes no sense, but it's what some people believe.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to find someone with these beliefs and ask them
> > > > > to explain
> > > > > dinosaurs and all of the other scientific evidence that
> > > > > supports evolution.
> > > > > Maybe they have such explanations .. *shrug*
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rick Eidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can we look at the creation in versions just like a
> > > > > programmer would?
> > > > > > You build an application V1.0 Then you take away and add to
> > > > > it to create
> > > > > > V1.2 and so on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Couldn't evolution just be Gods Versions of man? If so then
> > > > > evolution and
> > > > > > Creation could be the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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