My friends, we can speculate all we want, have whatever faiths among us,
believe however strongly, but can we be so presumptuous as to say we *know*?
IMHO not in this mortal lifetime. 

We may all be right, we may all be wrong.

I'm just awestruck by the scope and grandeur of the universe and its
complexity.
My personal choice is to believe there was a creator.
I also believe that creator was artistic and had a sense of humor.

You are entirely welcome to your beliefs, and I will respect them, and hope
you respect mine even if you think I'm wrong.

I am really enjoying the fact that a bunch of smart, creative people are
playing "verbal tennis" and having such a good time at it. 

To me this is "cf-community" at its best.

Have a wonderful day, everybody. (Seriously.)

-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> 
> 
> The first is simpler -- why should G-d be bound by the laws 
> of the universe 
> when no universe yet exists?
> 
> Again, Larry, your logic rests on the supposition that G-d is not the 
> infinite and timeless creator. If you believed in G-d in that 
> way, you 
> wouldn't be so hung up on proving how the universe came to be.
> 
> Judith
> 
> >First off, use Occam's Razor. In other words what is the 
> more simpler of
> >mechanisms, a mechanism that violates most if not all laws 
> of the universe -
> >ie, a big guy with a white beard that waves his hands and 
> poof - everything,
> >or a mechanism that consists of simple gradual changes 
> punctuated by rapid
> >changes on the fringes of the population distributions?
> >
> >larry
> >
> >--
> >Larry C. Lyons
> >ColdFusion/Web Developer
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> >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> >--
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:17 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > >
> > >
> > > Where's the scientific evidence that God isn't the author of the
> > > evolutionary process?
> > >
> > > H.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:14 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > >
> > >
> > > Its still creationism. Just the wolf wearing another sheepskin.
> > >
> > > I repeat where is the scientific evidence for it?
> > >
> > > larry
> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > > EBStor.com
> > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > --
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just to clarify, the article in question isn't creationists
> > > > (in the strict
> > > > sense of the word) vs. evolutionists, it's supporters of
> > > > intelligent design
> > > > vs. no-creator evolutionists.  A much finer parsing of
> > > > theories than strict
> > > > creationism against any form of evolution.
> > > >
> > > > H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:52 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Evolution and Education
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You could argue that view, but strict creationists would
> > > > argue that the
> > > > universe sprang from nothingness to completion in only 6
> > > > days.  Rationaly,
> > > > it makes no sense, but it's what some people believe.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to find someone with these beliefs and ask them
> > > > to explain
> > > > dinosaurs and all of the other scientific evidence that
> > > > supports evolution.
> > > > Maybe they have such explanations .. *shrug*
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick Eidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Evolution and Education
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can we look at the creation in versions just like a
> > > > programmer would?
> > > > > You build an application V1.0 Then you take away and add to
> > > > it to create
> > > > > V1.2 and so on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Couldn't evolution just be Gods Versions of man? If so then
> > > > evolution and
> > > > > Creation could be the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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