Ketamine is basically synthetic pcp and if you don't have a moderately long 
surgery where the post ketamine anesthetic is isoflourine or whatever they have 
today then the "wake up" is a pretty crazy seen and that is where a lot of 
people assume its a painful wake up but its not, it's just results from the 
ketamine. When I was leaving medicine they were starting to use some new ones 
instead (they use on humans) that had the duration of ketamine but the wake up 
was very quick with little side effects.

The sad part is that a lot of kids are now smoking or injecting ketamine 
(vitamin k) and there is no good side to that.

I just was reading my digest of these and realized I had missed a lot of good 
replies, sorry...

2 that struck me
Mary... on why people get it done where you gave someone in your family as an 
example.
my experience was that it really wasn't thought out, they just wanted it done 
usually because so and so had it done. And that's were I am saying that those 
kinds of people won't really listen to what you have to say or offer and thats 
when I am saying that if it is gunna get done to do it.. well if they are young 
because you wont change their minds.

dana
on not seeing them in the shelters.
I had to think about this after I read the one site where the author said that 
you don't see many declawed cats in shelters because most people wont get rid 
of them.. or w/e the wording was. I really can't say for sure about that if its 
right or not but it does make sense. I did the site they said to try and I 
searched my zipcode and out of the first 200 results only 7 of them were 
declawed.

I used "majority" and shouldn't have, I just meant a good portion of the 
population and it was 25%. I would say that around 50% of the kitten 
spay/neuters also were declaws that we did.

Sean was talking about a cat club that tried to spay/neuter the kittens before 
they get homes to try and prevent this. I am not sure that is a good idea 
because if someone wants it done it isn't very expensive (used to be like $45 
w/o a spay/neuter) and then you subject the kitten to 2 procedures instead of 
one which is the point of doing it at the same time. But it might stop a few of 
them.

Jim
I can see your point about it being an investment and a few people might think 
like that but I would have to disagree. However it does show at least some 
level of commitment that might keep them from throwing them outside and leaving 
them. I have seen more than a few cases where people spent a ton of cash on a 
pure bred persian and gave it up or whatever just because they couldn't keep 
the hair knot-free.


> Since you all are starting to throw around studies, here's a set of 43 
> articles/etc.,  that I pulled from scholar.google.com.
> http://tinyurl.com/2gd9z3


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