On Jan 3, 2008 8:01 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2008 7:26 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 2008 8:28 AM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > there have been many arguments about these so called "rights". when
> > your
> > > rights to smoke infringes on my rights to not die from second toxic
> > fumes,
> > > then yea, the gub'mint should get involved.
> >
> > My god! If it were up to people like you, I wouldn't be able to
> > masturbate in my own home.
>
>
> Not true - that is on your own personal property - jerk all you want, I say!
That's the spirit! There's hope yet.
> >
> > Assuming you stand by this logic, you're also pro-anti
> > combustion-engines? And pro-anti whatever else is spewing shit into
> > our "precious" air?
>
>
> I am not standing 2 feet from an exhaust pipe, there is a difference to me.
> Also, like someone else said, smoking is not "necessary" in society, whereas
> transportation is. It has a redeemable quality.
Transportation doesn't == combustion engine. You've got feet, right?
Arms if not? Someone to push you around if none?
I *have* to walk down the sidewalk, not 10 feet from hundreds of
fucking cars that drive by. With my kids. My dog. My wife.
I guess I could buy a helicopter, or jet-car, or whatever.... but that
shit's up there too!
You are trying to tell me that *choosing* to enter an establishment
that allows smoking is somehow more invasive than being FORCED to
breath the crap *you* "need" for transportation?
I think you just like your car (/me think of the first Life episode "I
am not attached to this car (repeat)"
>
> >
> >
> > You wouldn't have a problem if I ran up and gave you a wet-willy
> > whilst you were innocently sitting in your (polluting) car at some
> > stop-light?
>
>
> Honestly, I would, but that would be an annoyance rather than you violating
> my rights. We'd probably just end up in some physical altercation. Not
> sure how this is relevant to the conversation at hand tho.
It's not, per se, unless you count the "lets pop smokers in the
kisser!" comments.
>
> >
> > Let me guess, you also want all TV to be rated G or below, including HBO,
> > etc.?
>
>
> HELL NO! I am, for the most part, against most government in my life, but
> since smokers trample on other's rights to breathe clean air and are for the
> most part ignorant and boorish about doing it, I feel like there is not much
> choice than for a governing entity to get involved.
I think you better re-think your logic here. Re: the "cars" argument.
There is a choice-- you *choose* not to patron the establishment that
smokes. If the owner wants your business bad enough, it will change.
We DON'T need laws for this shit, when so many just causes go
"lawless". Our fucking political system needs reform, man. That's
more important than if someone else can do something you don't like.
Prove to me that you are forced to breath cigarette smoke like I'm
forced to breath your "transportation".
t
> >
> >
> > *We are capable of making our own decisions, no?*
>
>
> Yes, of course. In this case though, one can argue that the smoker's
> decision to smoke in a restaurant is directly making my decision to not
> visit that restaurant. So who really made my decision, me, or the smoker?
> What about in my office? Do I "make a decision" to either come to work and
> possibly die 30 years down the road because my co-worker puffs away the day
> in their cube, or stay home and get fired?
So long as it's not the government that's making the decision, I don't care.
Someone *forcing* you to work with smokers? You don't have a choice,
you're saying?
Sad. :-( Very sad.
We don't need the government to take over thinking for us, people. Really!
--
It was no wonder that people were so horrible when they started life
as children.
[info][add][mail] Kingsley Amis (1922 - )
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