On Jan 3, 2008 6:05 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 2008 11:36 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >A bar isn't a public place, public means owned by the government,
> > it is a
> > > >private place owned by an individual or company.
> > >
> > > Nope that one has been decided a long time ago. If the restaurant or
> > bar is not a private club with membership restrictions then its a
> > public place. If the place is open to anyone then it is not considered
> > private.
> >
> >
> > Heh. Decided. I love that. Re: My take on law.
>
> but for the law there is no freedom. What you have is a situation like in
> Somalia or parts of Afghanistan. The only law is who is willing to kill and
> terrorize more than anyone else.
Technically, I'm free to do whatever the fuck I want to. There may be
reverberations, or whatever, but that's besides the point.
Freedom doesn't come from Law, my friend. No one can take your
freedom. You have a mind. (So far-- if it was up to The Man, there
would be fewer people with 'em).
Law is a good way of communicating (well, *a* way) I guess. But the
Law isn't physical. Police are physical. Goon squads are physical.
The law is just an idea.
WE HAVE FREE WILL!!!
God, I wish I could channel someone who could explain it better, but
I'll just use the line from the Bill of Rights, or whatever. Yeah,
insert that [here].
> Lets face it unless you restrict those who may patronize your establishment,
> then its a public place. I have no objection to private clubs allowing
> smoking, but if you welcome any and all, then you're not a private place and
> need to follow the laws governing public places. End of story.
The story is Never Ending, esse! I swear, it ain't over till it's
over (and even then, is it over? Time is so /funky/!).
Restrict? Like, "only people who don't mind smoke can come in here"?
That would do it for you? Are people really that mentally challenged?
"hey, you have a choice" "really? My god!"
El, your logic is awful. Leads to crap like wheelchair ramps for
tread-mills. You've got to have something better than this, Larry!
I bet you don't have a problem with the way the current "law" is,
about being nude in your backyard, or whatever, right? "If we can see
it, it's OURS" bullshit, man, just bullshit.
Things will never change if people think the way you do, Larry.
"That's the LAW" my lord. Do you really think that Law is what gives
(and takes) our freedoms? That it's some static thing? That it is
where "right" and "wrong" come from? Seems a little too easy, to me.
You've got some type of hereto secret argument that will knock my
socks off, right? Please tell me I'm right.
--
Our heroes are people and people are flawed. Don't let that taint the
thing you love.
Randy K. Milholland,
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