You're not going to like that I didn't read your entire post because it's quite long and started going off the deep end of the rant pool. However I did want to clarify that I am not from California, I just lived there 4 years. I am from Atlanta, where I now live.
-Cameron Dinner wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Dinner wrote: >> >>> It's not a total free for all, Cameron. I just want to be able to do >>> what I want, without *forcing* anyone do do anything. >>> >>> As much as possible. >>> >>> Others seem to think forcing stuff is the only way to get things done, >>> which I sorta abhor. >>> >>> >> I do agree with you actually, I think that the line is in a different >> place for me about what constituted forcing someone to do something. In >> your view the government would be forcing people not to smoke. In my >> view, I am being forced to inhale other people's smoke. I know it's a >> difficult position to defend to say that I (and others, kids, employees, >> etc) am forced to inhale secondhand smoke since I could simply not enter >> the establishment, but that's not really practical if virtually every >> establishment in town allows smoking. >> > > It is a difficult position to defend. Ask yourself why. Seems > analogous to people who want to control what other people can see on > TV. Too busy to watch their own kids, they want Someone Else to be > responsible. > > It's not about convenience for you, it's about all of our rights. It > sounds sorta like you stand up for your rights, but other peoples, > well, don't matter as much. > > "Not really practical if virtually every establishment in town allows smoking" > > You'd have to be in a pretty "backwards" (heh) town for that to be the > case. But even so; are you "one of those people" who thinks that > because you moved into a community that has values or whatever other > than your own, you have the right to change the community? Hey, lets > get a bunch of people from Cali to move here, so we can have what we > have there, here! It's only right, right? Screw what other people > like or dislike. Lets all be the same, and "correct". Yes, lets all > be the same. By law. That's what Law is for, right? Lets have a law > that requires at least one micky-D's in every town with a population > over 100. Then people will never feel like they're "away from home" > or that they "don't have options"-- wouldn't want them to have to > actually try the local fare. > > Bah. I'm getting silly. Yeah, I "generally" care about liberty too. > > Look, the government isn't FORCING you to enter a smoking establishment. > > They are FORCING smoking establishments out of existence, right? Your > "right" as a non-smoker, to not visit places with smoke, wasn't > enough? Now you want to take my right to choose away from me? > > Seems like you don't want people to have options. Your viewpoint is > the Good one, obviously, and the Government needs to get involved, > because it's fun to spend our tax money to limit other's freedoms, > right? Screw the cool stuff, lets get the government involved in our > bars, dance halls, and various venues, even more than they already > are. > > OSHA can be a silly, silly deal. From past experience. Every layer we > add.... > > Why does everyone want the government to be some type of lifestyle > enforcer? It's sickening. But SOP. Too bad the few who knew why > protecting someone else's right is right, even if they don't > personally subscribe to whatever the choice may be. > > What do you think about the women's right to choose? How about > letting people kill themselves? > > We Got a Jumper! > Suicide is against the law! Quick, shoot the him before he hits the ground! > > >> I mean really, if we want to toss out the public health aspect >> altogether, I just don't like smoke. I know alot of people who don't >> like smoke, including smokers. To the extent that I have the ability to >> control my environment, I am going to do what I can to make the places I >> like to go smoke free. >> > > Are you telling my you are some sorta obsessive-compulsive? You are > really saying that you want to control other people's environments, to > the full extent of the law, which you would see cover even more. > Swell. Lets all spend our hard earned dough so you don't have to > worry about controlling yourself. You will be able to go anywhere you > want! WOuldn't that be swell? That it makes me have fewer places to > go doesn't seem to even register. > > Was there no such thing as non-smoking before the government got > involved? Crazy, alien thoughts... self-control, allowing others to > make "bad" choices... > > I don't think you're very liberty oriented, in reality. > > We just passed some bans in my country. At first, bars, eateries and > golf courses were "banned". Then the mayor comes out (it was his > idea, or something-- he loves himself-- whatever floats your boat, > but, you're supposed to listen when the majority says something, and > you represent 'em, or however that crazy governing system went) and is > like "I'm going to lift the ban on Golf courses, because they're not > really family oriented" or some bullshit like that --as if, bars are > places where kids & "families" hang out or some shit-- really it's > just sad. You know, /know/ one of his buddies called him up, and was > like "I like my cigars while I'm tee-ing" or whatever. Just so lame. > > But it's lame anyways. Why do you think you should be able to control > my ability to have dinner and a smoke? Why do your "rights to clean > air" trump my rights to enjoy myself, few as the chances are? Oh, I > know-- Quit Smoking! That's an answer that would make everyone happy, > right? Solve that problem right up! > > It's like a religious nut who wants creationism in the classroom, > claiming it's science. You claim to care about other's rights, but in > reality, you don't want those skin heads to be able to congregate and > spew their hate speech. Can't they see that they're just... wrong? > Let's have the government FORCE them to not do that thing they do that > I don't like. Surely not in a public place!!! What about the > children!?!?! > > Sad, man, sad. > > I say, let them Nazis do their thing in civic plaza-- this IS fucking > America. Hell Yeah. > > Oh, wait-- Cap is dead, guess that's sorta like a play on the US o A. > *sniff* See ya, Rogers. May your shield be ever shiny, and bouncy. > God I loved how it bounced. Alas. > > Out of the ashes, hopefully, something grand will come. 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