You're just a genocidal Nazi man. Let it go. Bruce Sorge wrote: > I want to re-enforce what Robert is saying about these so called atrocities: > > While I was in Iraq, we would get hit with mortars and rockets at least > 3-5 times a week, sometimes 2-3 times a day. For several months the > insurgents would fire upon us from a grove of trees, to which we would > respond with a barrage of artillery. We killed a lot of em that way. > Well, one day when I was on the FOB QRF (Quick Reaction Force), we > responded to a mortar attack, and when I finished my analysis, it was > determined that they fired at us from within the city of Tikrit where my > FOB was located. After arguing with our operations center officers, my > analysis was in fact proven to be correct. So what did we do? Did we > bomb the shit out of the insurgents and risk collateral damage now that > they started firing from within the city? NO! We did not. So the > insurgents discovered a safe haven to fire at us knowing that we did not > want to risk losing the trust that we had worked so hard to gain in this > city. So instead we stepped up the patrols throughout the city. Although > it cut back on the number of attacks, they still found ways to hit us > from within the city. > > Another example is a friend of mine who was a Fire Direction Specialist. > Basically it was his job to tell the artillery where to shoot. His team > only trusted one artillery battery that was being run by the Marines to > shoot inside of the city he was in. So accurate were these guys that > they did not have one single incident of collateral damage and racked up > about 50 insurgent KIA's with artillery alone. The only structures that > were destroyed were the ones the insurgents were occupying. > > So to the anti-war establishment on this list, don't sit there and tell > me or anyone else that we wantonly go out and kill whoever the hell we > feel like 'cause it just ain't true. We go through great pains to do the > best we can to avoid collateral damage. Often times at the expense of > our safety. And I am speaking for the majority of the military there, > not the few rogue warriors who feel that they can do what ever the fuck > they want. > > And as far as the people who lose a loved one due to collateral damage, > the answer to that is we pay them a shit load of money for their loss. > Now I know that no amount of money can replace the pain and suffering of > losing a loved one and I truly feel for these people, but at least we > recognize that this happens and we are doing what we can to lessen the > pain. > > And on the Israel deal, I asked a lot of Iraqi's what they thought of > the whole thing. Of course they hate Israel just as much as the next > Muslim. I asked them what they think about the Palestinians, and of > course they feel sorry for them. So I ask them why no Arab nation is > helping them. They don't have an answer. Not one of them can give me an > answer to this very simple question. I never could figure out why, but > now that Robert has offered his thoughts on this, it makes perfect > sense. They are nothing more than a huge propaganda machine. > > Bruce > > Robert Munn wrote: >> When did it become the responsibility of the Israelis to take care of the >> people who are trying to destroy their country? The Israelis have done >> everything but bend over backwards to help the Palestinians. Israel only cut >> them off because they were being attacked with rockets on a daily basis. How >> would you react? I would be tempted to hand out a serious ass-whooping via >> air strikes on government institutions. The Israelis have shown tremendous >> restraint in their actions. >> >> The rest of the Arab world, meanwhile, continues to let the Palestinians sit >> in squalor in Gaza because they are a convenient propaganda tool against >> Israel. The Saudis by themselves could re-build the entire economy of Gaza >> overnight. They are awash in money. So why don't they do it? Because they >> find it more useful for their own political ends to keep the Palestinians in >> Gaza living in squalor, and perhaps they see no acceptable partner inside >> Gaza at this point, because Hamas isn't interested in re-building the >> economy either. And somehow Israel is to blame for all of this? >> >> As for US smart bombs killing Iraqi civilians, yeah, bad sh!t happens in >> war, and innocent people sometimes die. But be careful throwing around the >> word atrocity- it implies that there is a systemic campaign by US forces >> against civilians in Iraq, and that is a ridiculous accusation to make. >> > >
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