At 05:04 PM 4/1/02, you wrote: >I have often wondered about observing/not observing Kosher meals. > >What is the common penalty for those who break the rules? Its a spiritual penalty. Is it worse than murder? no, but how do you qualify a spiritual thing.
>What is the eternal penalty for those who break the rules? See above, but eternal is a strange word to use for it. I do a sin, I either live with it and am judged or repent and not do it again. >Is it the knowing breaking of the rules, or the breaking of them at all? If you accidently eat something not Kosher your not going to fry in Hell. It's the knowing that counts. But there's situation as well. I don't eat at the homes of many of my friends because they don't keep the laws I do. The responsability for keeping Kosher is mine so I have to watch what I do as well as what I eat. > (For example, what if you didn't know there was XX in the food, and you ate it, >but you didn't ask?) You should check (Kosher food is usually marked by people who have checked, long story) > (For example, what if you didn't know there was XX in the food, and you ate it, >and you asked, and were told the wrong answer?) exempt. > (For example, what if you knew there was XX in the food, but you didn't know it >was on the list? like Ben's example below) If you don't know then you are probably exempt but I should ask before saying for sure. > (For example, what if you knew there was XX in the food, but were really hungry?) People can control their appetite, one of the lessons of the laws. > (For example, what if you knew there was XX in the food, but were literally >starving?) Life over laws (except for 3 specific ones). If I was going to die and had to eat shellfish to live and there was nothing else, then I'm allowed. "You can eat the meat but don't suck the marrow" - eat what you need to survive but not what is needed to enjoy. >I am sure there are different answers to these questions based on different beliefs, >but is there a general "rul of thumb"? I'm speaking from Orthodox Jewish beliefs. There are other, more liberal streams of Judaism that are more lenient on these laws or ignore them all together. In the end it all depends on the person. When I die, I'll stand before God and have to account for my actions and mine alone. No one will stand with me but my deeds. >Always curious, >Jerry Johnson > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 04:34PM >>> >put another " after meal. >;-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:32 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Pot Luck (was RE: Somebody send me a muffin) >> >> >> So why is a Jewish guy waxing poetic about crab etc.? >> >> Have to admit that as a kid, my parents never even told me what Kosher >> *was*, let alone observed any of the dietary laws. I grew up in San >> Francisco on Chinese food, crab, cheeseburgers, etc. without >> even knowing it >> was against either Biblical Kosher or the Orthodox interpretation. >> >> FYI to a large part of the list - Biblical Kosher mainly says >> "no pork, no >> shellfish, no mixing meat and dairy at the same meal. The >> Orthodox have much >> stricter rules. So what would be entirely acceptable to bring >> to a pot luck >> supper at the Reform synagogue I attend would be totally "trefe" (not >> Kosher) to Orthodox Jews. >> >> -Ben >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:24 PM >> > To: CF-Community >> > Subject: Re: Somebody send me a muffin >> > >> > >> > Alaskan King Crab and Copper River Salmon coming for that clam bake. >> > >> > Soft shell crabs are kind of like eating crabs with >> > fingernails wrapped >> > around them. Very weird. >> > >> > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop >> > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike >> > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) >> > Anchorage, Alaska >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Greenwood, Erin E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:16 PM >> > Subject: RE: Somebody send me a muffin >> > >> > >> > > Soft shell crabs are gross. All those little legs sticking out! >> > > >> > > e >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:20 PM >> > > To: CF-Community >> > > Subject: RE: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > >> > > >> > > I'll throw in a New England Clam Bake (or just some New >> England Clam >> > > Chowder) >> > > >> > > Is there anyone in Baltimore that can supply some >> soft-shell crabs? >> > > >> > > Jerry Johnson >> > > >> > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 04:00PM >>> >> > > Hey, we can have a regional US potluck feast: >> > > SF Dungeness Crab and sourdough, Napa Valley wine >> > > Philly Cheesesteak >> > > Louisiana gumbo and coffee >> > > Canadian beer >> > > Boston Cream Pie >> > > NY Cheesecake >> > > muffins, of course >> > > and ?? >> > > >> > > -Ben >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:05 PM >> > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > Subject: Re: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > That bypass surgery takes a while to recover from due to loss >> > > > of blood, so >> > > > dont' worry if he seems tireder than usual for a couple >> of weeks. >> > > > >> > > > Please send your dad our best wishes for a speedy recovery!~ >> > > > >> > > > Can you send me a boston cream pie? >> > > > >> > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop >> > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike >> > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) >> > > > Anchorage, Alaska >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Haggerty, Michael A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:29 AM >> > > > Subject: RE: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hey all; >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for your kind thoughts and prayers. >> > > > > >> > > > > My Dad pull through. He was transferred to George >> > > > Washington University >> > > > > Hospital on Monday of last week, has emergency Quintuple >> > > > Bypass surgery on >> > > > > Tuesday, was out of bed by Thursday, returned home on >> > > > Saturday, and was >> > > > > sneaking around in the middle of the night Sunday morning. >> > > > I bought him a >> > > > > Boston Cream Pie and he ate almost the whole thing. He >> > continues to >> > > > recover. >> > > > > >> > > > > What a great Easter present. >> > > > > >> > > > > Mike >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 3:05 PM >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > > Subject: RE: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Back in the late 60's my dad had a couple of small heart >> > > > attacks, plus >> > > > > angina pectoris. He was given an opportunity to see Dr. >> > > > Michael Debakey in >> > > > > Houston, one of the pioneers in bypass surgery. Wouldn't >> > > > go. Died 3 months >> > > > > later. >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm trying to stay on a fitness program so I don't follow him. >> > > > > (Hey Uncle Owen, this R2 unit has a bad motivator!) >> > > > > >> > > > > -Ben >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:09 PM >> > > > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Belated muffins to you and hoping Dad is feeling better. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Read up about heart attacks - oftentimes folks live for many >> > > > > > many happy >> > > > > > healthy years after one. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop >> > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike >> > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) >> > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > > From: "Haggerty, Michael A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:35 AM >> > > > > > Subject: Somebody send me a muffin >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Somebody send me a muffin... last Friday I had to take my >> > > > > > Dad to the ER. >> > > > > > He >> > > > > > > had a heart attack and is still in intensive care. The >> > > > > > doctors think he is >> > > > > > > going to pull through, but it *sucks* seeing the poor man >> > > > > > in such dire >> > > > > > > straits. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Grrr.... >> > > > > > > M >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
