Before you go spouting off any further bullshit about the respective roles
of the CIA, FBI, NSA and the like and its historic relationship with
domestic repression and Watergate, you might want to read up on a little
thing called the Church Committee. Wikipedia is a fine start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

As for, Mccarthy, you are free to have your own opinions about the man. But
you are only free to have your opinions about him in spite of his own best
efforts.

I will take any info you have on the relationship of Obama's economic
advisors and the recent history of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac though. I'm
not aware of the connections but I could certainly be uninformed in that
area.

Judah

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > but no matter). I knew there was a wall. In fact anyone with the ability
> to
> > read and an interest in history could tell you that intelligence services
> > (CIA) were specifically supposed to be kept seperate from domestic law
> > enforcement (FBI).
>
> Gorelick's wall was built in 1995. The wall prevented them from
> tipping each other off about threats. That makes no sense.
>
> > You may or may not remember it, but there was a dude
> > named Mccarthy
>
> Yes, he exposed the communists within. Too bad he went too far, being
> he was right.
>
> > and then later there was this little thing called Watergate
>
> The wall has nothing to do with Watergate
>
> > bad old days found out that files were being kept on people daring to
> > exercise their constitutional rights of dissent and that wiretaps were
> being
> > put in place without warrants and that the government (shockingly) was
> > sometimes using its powers for political retribution.
>
> You mean like Kennedy and Clinton did?
>
> > Now I know that that would never happen under a modern Republican
> > administration. And I do apologize for being so overly concerned about
> the
> > disappearece of my rights. I'm just a worry wart. I know that the
> terrorists
> > hate us because of our freedoms and I want to actually keep around some
> of
> > those freedoms so they can keep on hating us, ok?
>
> Clinton used illegal wiretaps and putt up a wall that didn't apply to
> anyone except him. But you keep thinking it's only the republicans
> that take away your rights.
>
> > In my world, the FBI can arrest members of al qaeda cells in the US (that
> > whole law enforcement thing) and if they produce information about
> > activities outside the US,
>
> The Wall stops this.
>
> > the CIA can go track them down to the ends of the
> > earth. In fact, that's how it used to work. But you know that because
> you're
> > a smart guy right?
>
> Not as smart as you think you are :)
>
> > Hahaha..you're such a tool Sam. What part of "string her up for it" did
> you
> > not understand?
>
> This part:
> Gorelick would end up being rather a small fish in a big pot.
>
>
> I'm agreeing with you, she should be smacked around for her
> > part in a stupid debacle. So should a whole lot of people that ought to
> have
> > known better but got unconscionably greedy.
>
> Do you mean outright illegal fraud?
>
> > All I said is that she left that
> > organization 5 years ago and its just failing now. I dont' agree with
> what
> > she did then, but a whole bunch of other people are to blame for the last
> 5
> > years and from my vantage point, the last 5 years of fuck ups have put
> the
> > previous years fuck ups to shame.
>
> Did you know they're the top economic advisers for Obama?
>
> 

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