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> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:17 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > I don't think that'll work too good. I've tried and tried > and NOTHING would come out...;-) > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth F > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > Um, did you ever hear the word BREAST PUMP > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:03 AM > Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > Ummm, how ya gonna get him to breast feed? > > It's healthier for the kid... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:43 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > My goal is to have a househusband when kids enter the picture. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > It starts getting different when kids enter the > picture. When we got > > > married, we were both working. When Judith gave birth she > > > tried to work and > > > be a mother at the same time and decided to do the latter. I > > > made sure I got > > > a good job with benefits (and a 3 hour commute) to make > sure we were > > > covered. Even now, Judith is an at home mom where she also > > > does her editing > > > and other work. > > > > Basically, my salary pays for her to work on FA and other > > > projects. :) > > > > If she wanted to go out to work and have me at home I'd > > > have no problem. > > > Of course, I kind of make more due to who I am but that's > > > besides the point. > > > If I had a steady stream of income I'd be home writing > > > articles, recording > > > lessons, writing code, and taking care of the kids with no > > > problem at all. > > > Anyone here want to finance me for a year and get credit for > > > all I produce? > > > I'll have a dozen "complete" papers out with no problem. :) > > > > (Complete CFSCRIPT still has to be edited, complete > > > comparison (CFIF, etc) > > > is in pieces, complete iteration (loops) is as well and there > > > are bits and > > > pieces of a half dozen more.) > > > > > > > > At 12:07 PM 4/5/02, you wrote: > > > > >H, as long as its her CHOICE to be the domestic one, I > > > have no problem > > > with > > > > >it. When its the man's choice it pisses me off. I know > > > some really > > > > >independent, professional women who are very domestic at > > > home - its weird > > > to > > > > >me (and in the case I am thinking of even weird to her) > > > but if thats what > > > > >you like to do, go for it. > > > > > > > > > >I love to cook and I cook well believe it or not, I just > > > know its not my > > > job > > > > >(as a woman) to cook for Mike. That being said I > often cook but he > > > cleans > > > > >the kitchen and does the dishes. Or we eat out (we are > > > dual income no > > > kids, > > > > >why not?). If he cooked I would be starving all the > > > time.....he cooks > > > > >pretty badly. > > > > > > > > > >I do not however do as much cleaning as he does. I feel > > > somewhat guilty > > > > >about that but he cares if its clean and I dont'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Howard Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:02 AM > > > > >Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I was a bachelor until I was 31, so I know how to cook > > > and clean and > > > sew, > > > > >> etc. I don't mind cooking a couple of meals a week > > > (usually on the > > > > >> weekends). I enjoy it. But I'm thankful I have a wife > > > who likes (most > > > of > > > > >> the time) taking care of the house. I feel especially > > > fortunate that I > > > > >> married a woman who cooks as well as my mom. So many of > > > my friends > > > have > > > > >> wives who can't cook at all, and they can't cook -- so > > > they eat out a > > > lot, > > > > >> or fast food, or frozen meals (though we've been eating > > > a lot more > > > frozen > > > > >> meals because during the week I'm so busy and my wife > > > doesn't cook on > > > days > > > > >> she has to work (part-time)). > > > > >> > > > > >> H. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:09 AM > > > > >> To: CF-Community > > > > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> In Samoan culture, women are not allowed in the kitchen. > > > It's is the > > > > >man's > > > > >> domain. He is responsible for gathering and > preparing of foods. > > > > >> > > > > >> I agree wholeheartedly with you Michael. I have a 16 > > > month old and > > > want > > > > >to > > > > >> create the same environment for him as well. My wife > > > and I do our best > > > to > > > > >> create a warm, loving, and safe place for him. He is > > > allowed to push > > > the > > > > >> boundaries but we are there to prevent him from doing > > > things that will > > > > >hurt > > > > >> him. He will learn things that will allow him to be > > > self sufficient > > > when > > > > >he > > > > >> is older and that includes all of the things that some > > > may consider > > > > >feminine > > > > >> roles (I.e. cooking, sewing, etc.). My grandmother > > > always told me that > > > a > > > > >> man that can't take care of himself is no man and I > > > agree. Whenever I > > > > >think > > > > >> about how to raise kids, I remember something Mel Gibson > > > (surprisingly) > > > > >once > > > > >> said that the parents role as disciplinarian should be > > > done in such a > > > > >manner > > > > >> that it breaks their will but not their > > > > >> spirit. I thought that was profound, especially coming > > > from Mad Max! > > > > >> > > > > >> Michael Corrigan > > > > >> Programmer > > > > >> Endora Digital Solutions > > > > >> 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > > > >> Lombard, IL 60148 > > > > >> 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > > > >> 630/627-5255 Fax > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz > > > > >> To: CF-Community > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:21 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> As my son does fight with my daughter to give me > a book or do > > > something > > > > >> for me, I'd say yes, he would. Actually, my son is the > > > sensitive one > > > while > > > > >> my daughter is the daredevil. My job as a parent is to > > > give them the > > > > >freedom > > > > >> to learn and grown and not force them into any > specific role. > > > Personally, > > > > >I > > > > >> think I do a good job with it. > > > > >> As a side note, I know how to sew and can also cook > > > rather well. My > > > wife > > > > >> learned to cook after we got married. And both of the > > > older children > > > (the > > > > >> youngest is to small) enjoy helping me and/or Judith > > > when we cook. > > > > >> Personally, I see cooking as a masculine job. It's a > > > knife and fire > > > used > > > > >to > > > > >> build something. :) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: > > > - Would your > > > son > > > > >> serve > > > > >> > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before > > > you say grace > > > > >because > > > > >> he > > > > >> > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps > > > your children > > > have > > > > >> been > > > > >> > raised with different roles based on gender. I am > > > not going to say > > > > >its > > > > >> > wrong for men and women to play different roles - > > > its all about > > > > >personal > > > > >> > choice. But I certainly will try my best to > raise my kids > > > without > > > > >> those > > > > >> > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter > > > will be expected > > > to > > > > >> do > > > > >> > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged > > > to do sports > > > and > > > > >> boys > > > > >> > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will > > > learn to sew on > > > > >> buttons > > > > >> > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to > > > take more > > > > >> traditional > > > > >> > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like > > > them to be able > > > to > > > > >> make > > > > >> > that choice and not have it decided by me. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM > > > > >> > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major > > > things held against > > > > >> Orthodox > > > > >> > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of > proportion. > > > > >> > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my > > > daughter did. I > > > was > > > > >in > > > > >> a > > > > >> > small fight on a different list with a militant > > > feminist who took > > > > >> anything I > > > > >> > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking > > > how she'd react > > > to > > > > >my > > > > >> > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash > > > my hands before > > > we > > > > >> said > > > > >> > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be > > > helpful and because > > > she > > > > >> loves > > > > >> > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me > > > subjugating my > > > > >daughter > > > > >> or > > > > >> > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter > > > is subservient > > > to > > > > >no > > > > >> one > > > > >> > and is more willful than I am). > > > > >> > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and > > > all my kids. :) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation! > > > > >> > > > -Ben > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > > > > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, > > > its a difference > > > > >> > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a > > > day. Women don't. > > > > >> > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have > > > to. I can go on > > > > >> > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is > > > moot. A woman > > > > >> > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's > not bound by the > > > > >> obligation. > > > > >> > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count > > > either as he's > > > > >> > > > > not bound by obligation either. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still > don't count > > > > >> > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -Ben > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > > > > >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me > > > people here to > > > > >correct > > > > >> > > > > > > me) that jews > > > > >> > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but > just 9 "men". > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it > my dad used to > > > > >tell.....I > > > > >> > > > > > > am sure I will > > > > >> > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > > > >> > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek > > > R200, Kickbike > > > > >> > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat > > > (Keeshond Boy) > > > > >> > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > > > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews > > > and Christians" > > > > >> > > > > > > Muslims don't need > > > > >> > > > > > > a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that > uniquely, Muslim's > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of > > > worship. I can't > > > speak > > > > >> > > > > > > for Jews, but > > > > >> > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the > > > only place you > > > > >can > > > > >> > > > > > > pray is in a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a > > > physical church > > > > >> > > > > represents the > > > > >> > > > > > > religion > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ > > > is where ever > > > there > > > > >> > > > > > > are believers. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve > as education > > > facilities > > > > >> > > > > > > and community > > > > >> > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way > > > since early in the > > > > >> > > > > > > church history. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to > > > church"? I don't > > > > >> > > > > > > know. I didn't > > > > >> > > > > > > > catch that part. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without > > > really paying as > > > > >close > > > > >> > > > > > > attention to > > > > >> > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would > > > like, that they > > > > >were > > > > >> > > > > > > > mischaracterizing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > H. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. 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