Wasn't ARPA-net even earlier than that? Think it was originally developed as a secure comm link between DOD and defense contractors & university research labs. e.g. the electronic equivalent of the Interstate Highway System - too many routes to bomb all of them at once? -Ben
> -----Original Message----- > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:40 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > Funny. I was taught about the Internet in 1985 in a Geology > Class. It was > called the NSFNet, but even then it was considered the same > as the Internet > in 1990. It was a collection of networks connected by cables > about the > world. > > I will admit Gore helped privatize the NSFNet. That was a > good move. The > quote "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the > initiative in creating the Internet." sounds like he was claiming the > Internet didn't exist in 1986. It did, as NSFNet and the > other connected > networks. He should have used the phrase "Internet as it is today." > > This was a bad turn of phrase for him. I wonder if he > considered it before > he spoke. > > ===== > Russel Madere > Senior Software Engineer > Turbo Squid, Inc. > http://www.turbosquid.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:36 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > Remember Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, was the chief sponsor in > > the Senate > > of the enabling legislation that turned the NSFnet into the > Internet. He > > did not lie. However his words were twisted by many of the right > > wing media. > > > > Vince Cerf attempted to set the record straight, but as > typical of those > > trying to remove the political distortions, he was ignored: > > > > Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC > > From http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/249325.asp (which has apparently > > subsequently timed out). See also ``Revisionist Internet > History.'' -jsq > > Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC's questions about the Net's origins > > with this > > e-mail: > > VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of > > Congress > > to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while > he served as > > Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on > this subject > > (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their > > promise and what > > could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to > > develop the > > Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by > > then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term > ``information > > infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a > > Senator and > > now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as > well-informed as > > possible on technology and issues that surround it. > > As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research > community's > > efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to > extend access to > > supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the > High Performance > > Computing and Communication program (which included the > National Research > > and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has > > been very > > responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's > > Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed > > additional research > > funding for next generation fundamental research in > software and related > > topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network > > development, you'll > > find many people who have made major contributions without which the > > Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it > > is today. > > The creation of a new information infrastructure requires > the willing > > efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen > > leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move > the Internet > > towards increased availability and utility around the world. > > While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented > Internet, he has > > played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported > its continued > > growth and application, for which we should be thankful. > > We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the > > Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to > > see how it > > can be put to work for national and global benefit. > > > > > > At 11:41 AM 4/8/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >I did not say you were an elitist, rather than the > rhetoric you were > > >espousing was. Read the quote on the page you sent. > Gores words are > > >right there..."I took the initiative in creating the > internet" you may > > >have to twist his meaning a bit but certainly not his > words. Oh, now > > >you take the high road and say personal attacks are wrong, > but calling > > >someone a moron is just fine :) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:36 AM > > >To: CF-Community > > >Subject: Re: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > >I realize that Al Gore is human. I also realize that > there is a lot if > > >information on the internet created by people who twist > > >facts around including the tired old myth that Gore claimed that he > > >invented the internet > > >(http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/internet.htm) which is > simply not true. > > > > > >I am not an elitist and, since you have resorted to > personal attacks, I > > >have nothing more to say on this matter. > > > > > >Howie > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:06 PM > > >Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > Oh I forgot....Al is blind...and who knows Caesar and > his senate might > > > > have had their bust there and he really got his facts > straight about > > > > that whole creating the internet thing, amongst his > other gaffes...so > > > > come down off your elitist high horse and realize yes > even Al Gore is > > > > human. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:02 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > Well, the busts were way up on the wall (near the > ceiling) and they > > >were > > > > the pseudo-classic busts where the subjects are wearing > > > > leaves and such like ancient Roman busts. And, at > least Gore gets his > > > > facts straight before speaking. > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Corrigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:50 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point! I forgot about that one. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > > > Programmer > > > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > > > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > > > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > > > > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > > > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I suppose when Al Gore walked into Monticello and was > > >surrounded > > > > by > > > > > the busts of the founding fathers and said "Who are > these people?" > > > > that > > > > > was ok because it's not really relevant because > they aren't are > > > > largest > > > > > trading partner. I take that as a bigger insult > than not knowing > > >the > > > > > current Canadian Prime Minister :) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:36 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > the man was running for President. He should know > the name of the > > > > leader > > > > > of > > > > > this country's largest trading partner. Its not > even a matter of > > > > some > > > > > aide > > > > > making a mistake in his briefings. Its such a basic bit of > > >necessary > > > > > knowledge that stupidity is the only answer. > > > > > > > > > > As for Kennedy, one incident, in contrast here are > some recent > > > > quotes of > > > > > > > > > > Shrub's: > > > > > > > > > > "I hit the trifecta.' - George W. Bush to his > budget director > > >after > > > > the > > > > > Sept. 11 attacks in reference to his frequently > stated vow not to > > > > touch > > > > > Social Security except in the even of war, national > disaster or > > > > > recession > > > > > > > > > > When asked if the events of the last four months > have changed him > > > > Bush > > > > > offered the simultaneously vain and superficial > reply,'Talk to my > > > > wife. > > > > > I > > > > > don't spend a lot of time looking in the mirror, > except when I > > >comb > > > > my > > > > > hair...'" > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > At 10:00 AM 4/8/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Man....and I supposed you could still rattle off > the capitals of > > > > all > > > > > >fifty states right. There is a lot of information > a world leader > > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > >digest. He is human he will make a few mistakes > here and there. > > >I > > > > do > > > > > >remember JFK trying to speak a little German and > say "I am a > > > > Berliner". > > > > > >But it came out more like "I am a donut". So give > the guy a > > >break. > > > > I > > > > > >think he is doing a good job. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:55 AM > > > > > >To: CF-Community > > > > > >Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > > >As for Bush may not be a moron, but he is quite > ignorant of most > > >of > > > > the > > > > > >world. For instance, during the election he > publicly stated that > > >he > > > > > >wanted > > > > > >to thank the Prime Minister of Canada "Poutine" > for his support. > > > > The > > > > > >prime > > > > > >minister's name is Chretien. He was set up by a > Canadian comedian > > > > > during > > > > > >a > > > > > >press conference. Any idiot should have known the > Canadian PM's > > > > name if > > > > > >said idiot was running for office. There is also his well > > > > documented > > > > > >gaffs > > > > > >regarding Nigeria, and Greece (grecians?). I could > go on, but in > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > > > >the size of my Bushisms file has recently become > larger than my > > >Dan > > > > > >Quayle > > > > > >file of idiocies. > > > > > > > > > > > >The man is an idiot. > > > > > > > > > > > >larry > > > > > > > > > > > >At 08:15 AM 4/8/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >Our support of Israel is one of the reasons 9/11 > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And Bush is not a moron....I will give you that > he is not the > > > > best > > > > > > >public speaker but he is getting better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:23 AM > > > > > > >To: CF-Community > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Bush's Mid East Policy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *shrug* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think Bush is a moron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Only sometimes? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The double speak coming from him is rather idiotic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the other day he was declaring that they > understand the > > > > > Israeli > > > > > > > > reaction and support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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