On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So how about student loans underwritten for people that don't pay > taxes? A loan is paid back. A grant is not and it's a one or two shot deal to help someone improve themselves and chances are they will give it back in future taxes. > How about social security for dependents that didn't pay SS? Is there such a thing? It's an entitlement program. We have safety nets to help the people that can't help themselves. It's welfare if you didn't pay in. Writing checks to high school kids is not a safety net it's stupid. BTW, Mathews admitted Obama's plan is welfare. > How about capital gains tax breaks for the rich who use them as a tax > shield? A tax breaks is not taxing one person to pay another. It's not taxing someone. > You MUST understand that your point about people who don't pay taxes > is one of those sounds-good-in-a-vacuum discussion points that are so > very popular on talk radio because it sounds good to the ignorant. The ignorant won't shut up. You go on and on like a chicken without a head. Change topics every sentence. Dude, take a pill or something. > The bottom line is that our country has all 100s of ways of > redistributing wealth. To pick out one because it sounds good to > ignorant people is dishonorable; it's a lie of omission. We're not talking about the entitlement programs that currently exist to help the truley needy. We're talking about taxing one class more to give it to another class. For no reason other than people that earn more don't deserve it. Or is it that all wages will eventually be equal no matter what your responsiblity? > I'll give you another example: Medicare and medicaid. The amount of > money boomers are going to get (are getting!!) FAR FAR FAR exceeds > what they paid in. Because Obama's going to get rid of the 401ks and force people to need his government to survive? We'll have to vote for him forever because we'll depend on him for survival. > In other words, the federal government is taking money from working > families and giving it to wealthy retirees. So lets expand it and force everyone to use Medicare. > So yet again we have a principle vs. position argument. It's common sense vs a raving lunatic. > Are you against ALL forms of wealth redistribution? Because then you > oppose a progressive tax AND you owe me your stimulus check because > the government took it from me and gave it to you. I see your point. If we provide free service to the needy, then we're obligated provide it to everyone. So we're already socialist. Hell, I give to charity so I might as well direct deposit my wages to charity and ask for foods and shelter in return. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:278343 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
