But there's still certain rites that Must be followed to be 'religious' in the 
specific denomination. Any religious rite would be anathema to a vampire. No vampires 
in Shul or church.

At 01:24 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>To my knowledge, the only two Christian faiths that take communion as a
>Sacrament, and those are the Episcopals and the Catholics.  While all
>Christian faiths are founded on the  birth, death and resurrection of Jesus
>Christ, as well as many aspects of the Old Testament,  not all follow the
>same sacramental chain.  
>
>Jeff Garza
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:15 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Circumcision article link
>
>
>It's not a question of welcome but of existence. When exposed to a religious
>symbol a vampire flees or dies. Some legends say that it has to be held by a
>believer in the symbol. Mass is full of symbols held by believers. Taking
>communion is taking a symbol into the body. instant death.
>
>At 12:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>Nit Picking here...  You are talking about Catholic Vampires (maybe 
>>Episcopalian as well).  There are plenty of "Christian" religions that 
>>would probably welcome vampires.... <G>
>>
>>Jeff Garza
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:52 AM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Circumcision article link
>>
>>
>>You know me, always researching the practical applications. :) Of 
>>course, by definition a religious Christian vampire can't exist either. 
>>Taking communion or going to mass (requirements) would kill it 
>>automatically.
>>
>>At 12:39 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>>I'm glad you explained that, I didn't want to stick my neck out on 
>>>that
>>>issue.
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:42 AM
>>>> To: CF-Community
>>>> Subject: RE: Circumcision article link
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No Jewish vampires either.
>>>> Yes, one can eat non-Kosher is their life depends on it but
>>>> vampires are by definition not alive so their life can't 
>>>> depend on it. i.e. a vampire who's Jewish and religious has to starve.
>>>> 
>>>> At 12:31 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>>> >Gee, somehow I knew the Masai weren't Jewish
>>>> >;-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:31 AM
>>>> >> To: CF-Community
>>>> >> Subject: RE: Circumcision article link
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> At 12:19 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>>> >> >thanks, not eating pork is always something i've wondered about.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >whats the exact religious reason?
>>>> >> Laws of ritual purity when dealing with what you eat. Land 
>>>> >> animals have to have split hooves and chew their cud. Sea animals 
>>>> >> have to have fins and scales. Birds of prey (depending on claw 
>>>> >> configuration) are not allowed. Those are the basics. Also, blood 
>>>> >> is not allowed.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>> >> >Sent: 12 April 2002 16:52
>>>> >> >To: CF-Community
>>>> >> >Subject: RE: Circumcision article link
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Pig is one of the animals specifically mentioned as being
>>>> >> not allowed. Even
>>>> >> >when I wasn't religious I didn't eat it (and I was just a
>>>> >> kid). Closest I've
>>>> >> >come is soy bacon. salty, but I love it. :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >At 11:39 AM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>>> >> >>so as far as your concerned it's a commandment not to eat pork?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>> >> >>Sent: 12 April 2002 16:40
>>>> >> >>To: CF-Community
>>>> >> >>Subject: Re: Circumcision article link
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>Actually, a religious person (at least this one) looks at
>>>> >> it and says that
>>>> >> >>its a commandment and I'm doing it because its a
>>>> >> commandment. If science
>>>> >> >>says that the commandment has a physical effect, then fine
>>>> >> and good. The
>>>> >> >>physical effect is totally secondary to the spiritual effect. 
>>>> >> >>To
>>>> >> >>say that the commandment or every commandment was done
>>>> >> for a physical
>>>> >> >>reason such as health opens the door to denial of the root of
>>>> >> >>the commandment. Hey, not eating pork was because of
>>>> >> trichinosis. If we cook it
>>>> >> >>right then we wouldn't get the disease and we can now eat
>>>> >> it. Same for all
>>>> >> >>the other commandments. This is the rational of the reform
>>>> >> movement and a
>>>> >> >>rational rejected by religious Jews.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>At 03:51 AM 4/12/02, you wrote:
>>>> >> >>>It seems that much of the old testament law, such as
>>>> >> circumcision, what to
>>>> >> >>eat and not to eat, etc., has a good basis in what is
>>>> >> healthy, especailly
>>>> >> >>given the lack of sanitary conditions of the times.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>A religious person might argue that this is God making up
>>>> >> the lack of
>>>> >> >>science of the time to protect people. A non-believer might
>>>> >> argue that this
>>>> >> >>is wise people coming up religious law to mirror their own
>>>> >> observations
>>>> >> >>about what makes a person sick.  Either way, it
>>>> >> demonstrates a good deal of
>>>> >> >>wisdom in the old books.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>H.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>> >> >>>from: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> >> >>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> >> >>>date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:56:23 -0700
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>Found a link to the original article on circumcision &
>>>> >> risk of cervical
>>>> >> >>>>cancer - it's in the New England Journal of Medicine:
>>>> >> >>>>http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/15/1105
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>Apparently, the foreskin is particularly susceptible to
>>>> >> infection from
>>>> >> >HPV
>>>> >> >>-
>>>> >> >>>>human papilloma virus - which is linked to cervical cancer.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>-Ben
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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