The difference, Russel, is that "Messianic Judaism" was a movement started 
by Christian missionaries looking to convert Jews to Christianity. Reform 
Jews at least agree that they are Jews, not Christians.

Whether a Jew observes all the laws or not, there are certain fundamental 
core beliefs that define Judaism, that are so big that abrogating that is 
pulling oneself out of the faith altogether. What we're talking about here 
is that basic.

One can always come back to Judaism; one can always repent -- this is 
called "Teshuvah" (returning).

Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Judith

>I understand, but they disagree.  Just as Reform Jews disagree on what they
>may consier antiquated tenets.
>
>=====
>Russel Madere
>Senior Software Engineer
>Turbo Squid, Inc.
>http://www.turbosquid.com
>
>Is your head tag nested within your body tag?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:40 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> >
> >
> > "we believe in perfect faith that the messiah will come though he
> > may tarry"
> > The belief that a messiah came already is not a Jewish one and
> > has been rejected by Jews for the last 2000 years. Those who
> > believe that a messiah has come have a specific name for
> > themselves, Chistians.
> > Its one of the core tenets of the faith.
> >

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