But that reference is anti-Jewish in nature. You can't be pro and anti at the same time.
At 03:25 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: >Absolutely. Thanks for reminding me of that. The Messianic Jews do NOT >follow this creed. They follow the creeds of the Jews, except in reference >to the Messiah. > >===== >Russel Madere >Senior Software Engineer >Turbo Squid, Inc. >http://www.turbosquid.com > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:16 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) >> >> >> At the same time Russell, all Christian faith, except for one or two ver >> small denominations (5's and 10's) adhere to the Nicene creed. I thought >> that contained the basics of the Christian faith. >> >> larry >> >> -- >> Larry C. Lyons >> ColdFusion/Web Developer >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> EBStor.com >> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 >> tel: (703) 393-7930 >> fax: (703) 393-2659 >> Web: http://www.ebstor.com >> http://www.pacel.com >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >> -- >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:16 PM >> > To: CF-Community >> > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) >> > >> > >> > So let me ask you this. Because I. as a Catholic, believe >> > that Christ is >> > present in the Eucharist when I receive It every Sunday. >> > Baptist do not >> > share that CORE, 2000 year old tenet of my faith. Does that >> > mean to you I, >> > as a Catholic, and someone else, as a Baptist, cannot both claim to be >> > Christian? >> > >> > Personally, I feel that those calling themselves Messianic >> > Jews are really >> > archaic Christians. A living, religious fossil, so to speak. I just >> > resented the immediate condemnation of them as not being >> > Jewish in any way. >> > The Early Chrisitian Church celebrated in synagogs and >> > worshipped in the >> > Temple. They maintained much of thier Jewish identity, even after the >> > Gentiles were admitted to the Church. If it were not for the Roman >> > persecutions, we probably would still be worshipping that way. >> > >> > ===== >> > Russel Madere >> > Senior Software Engineer >> > Turbo Squid, Inc. >> > http://www.turbosquid.com >> > >> > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:01 PM >> > > To: CF-Community >> > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) >> > > >> > > >> > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: >> > > >I'm confused now. You are saying that you can call >> > yourself Christian by >> > > >believing in a single common tenet. Is this correct? >> > That is like me >> > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck. >> > > > >> > > >That has nothing to do with my question. I was questioning the >> > > contention >> > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the >> > DISBELIEF in a single >> > > >Jewish tenet. >> > > >> > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means >> > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say "we're >> > > Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing that I'm >> > > speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. You can't be >> > > both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, >> > > God made flesh, etc. then your of a different religion. Belief is >> > > the focus here. If I believe that Asp is the best language >> > > around, can I believe that ColdFusion is the best language >> > > around? Can there be two bests? No. There can only be one best >> > > and everything else is less than best. You can't be both Jewish >> > > in belief and Christian in belief. >> > > >> > > >> > > >===== >> > > >Russel Madere >> > > >Senior Software Engineer >> > > >Turbo Squid, Inc. >> > > >http://www.turbosquid.com >> > > > >> > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? >> > > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM >> > > >> To: CF-Community >> > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a >> > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I >> > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it >> > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. Just like the >> > > >> messianics. >> > > >> >> > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: >> > > >> >If you want. But the point I was making was that not ALL >> > > >> Chritian clerics >> > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I was taught. >> > > >> Christians >> > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from the >> > > Jewish laws. >> > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me >> > > believe that, you >> > > >> >have to meet that definition. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >===== >> > > >> >Russel Madere >> > > >> >Senior Software Engineer >> > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc. >> > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com >> > > >> > >> > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM >> > > >> >> To: CF-Community >> > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe >> > in God and >> > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews. They believed >> > > >> that Jesus was >> > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
