By being heretics. See my post at about 1:10 this afternoon. Even in the first century, heretical Christians were still considered Christians. The same applies today.
===== Russel Madere Senior Software Engineer Turbo Squid, Inc. http://www.turbosquid.com Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:31 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > But that reference is anti-Jewish in nature. You can't be pro and > anti at the same time. > > At 03:25 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > >Absolutely. Thanks for reminding me of that. The Messianic Jews do NOT > >follow this creed. They follow the creeds of the Jews, except > in reference > >to the Messiah. > > > >===== > >Russel Madere > >Senior Software Engineer > >Turbo Squid, Inc. > >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:16 PM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > >> > >> > >> At the same time Russell, all Christian faith, except for one > or two ver > >> small denominations (5's and 10's) adhere to the Nicene creed. > I thought > >> that contained the basics of the Christian faith. > >> > >> larry > >> > >> -- > >> Larry C. Lyons > >> ColdFusion/Web Developer > >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> EBStor.com > >> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > >> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > >> tel: (703) 393-7930 > >> fax: (703) 393-2659 > >> Web: http://www.ebstor.com > >> http://www.pacel.com > >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > >> -- > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:16 PM > >> > To: CF-Community > >> > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > >> > > >> > > >> > So let me ask you this. Because I. as a Catholic, believe > >> > that Christ is > >> > present in the Eucharist when I receive It every Sunday. > >> > Baptist do not > >> > share that CORE, 2000 year old tenet of my faith. Does that > >> > mean to you I, > >> > as a Catholic, and someone else, as a Baptist, cannot both > claim to be > >> > Christian? > >> > > >> > Personally, I feel that those calling themselves Messianic > >> > Jews are really > >> > archaic Christians. A living, religious fossil, so to speak. I just > >> > resented the immediate condemnation of them as not being > >> > Jewish in any way. > >> > The Early Chrisitian Church celebrated in synagogs and > >> > worshipped in the > >> > Temple. They maintained much of thier Jewish identity, even > after the > >> > Gentiles were admitted to the Church. If it were not for the Roman > >> > persecutions, we probably would still be worshipping that way. > >> > > >> > ===== > >> > Russel Madere > >> > Senior Software Engineer > >> > Turbo Squid, Inc. > >> > http://www.turbosquid.com > >> > > >> > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:01 PM > >> > > To: CF-Community > >> > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > >> > > >I'm confused now. You are saying that you can call > >> > yourself Christian by > >> > > >believing in a single common tenet. Is this correct? > >> > That is like me > >> > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck. > >> > > > > >> > > >That has nothing to do with my question. I was questioning the > >> > > contention > >> > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the > >> > DISBELIEF in a single > >> > > >Jewish tenet. > >> > > > >> > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means > >> > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say "we're > >> > > Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing that I'm > >> > > speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. You can't be > >> > > both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, > >> > > God made flesh, etc. then your of a different religion. Belief is > >> > > the focus here. If I believe that Asp is the best language > >> > > around, can I believe that ColdFusion is the best language > >> > > around? Can there be two bests? No. There can only be one best > >> > > and everything else is less than best. You can't be both Jewish > >> > > in belief and Christian in belief. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >===== > >> > > >Russel Madere > >> > > >Senior Software Engineer > >> > > >Turbo Squid, Inc. > >> > > >http://www.turbosquid.com > >> > > > > >> > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > >> > > > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM > >> > > >> To: CF-Community > >> > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a > >> > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I > >> > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it > >> > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. Just like the > >> > > >> messianics. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > >> > > >> >If you want. But the point I was making was that not ALL > >> > > >> Chritian clerics > >> > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I was taught. > >> > > >> Christians > >> > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from the > >> > > Jewish laws. > >> > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me > >> > > believe that, you > >> > > >> >have to meet that definition. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >===== > >> > > >> >Russel Madere > >> > > >> >Senior Software Engineer > >> > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc. > >> > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM > >> > > >> >> To: CF-Community > >> > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe > >> > in God and > >> > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews. They believed > >> > > >> that Jesus was > >> > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
