Hey...people believe that if they follow his teachings that everythign
will be hunky dory, and he is Responsible for Saving them...don't they?

So someone is responsible for the good..but they're not responsible for
the bad?

I also said, quite clearly, that it is the whole religion thing. The
idea of a jealous, vengeful god...Satan, Jesus..etc. all seems to stem
from that.

Heaven and Hell.Being 'Saved'.

If WE are responsible for what we do, then why when something GOOD
happens don't we say thank XYA that DID the good thing. Why is it Thank
God?? 
Then when something bad happens..couldn't that same god have prevented
it? Why then say..well..thats the way it is. It is the evil of man, or
the Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways? O_o?

I think WE are responsible for most things. And WE can make this earth a
heaven, and WE choose to make it a sort of Purgatory for the majority of
people living on earth. And a Hell for the unfortunate others.

God is responsible for the good..but not for the bad? Jesus is
responsible for all the good done in his name, but not for the evil that
men do because of interpretations of his words? 

IF he were not there and we did not have the notion of punishment and
reward...what then? If there were NO religion and no belief in some
central higher figure that punishes or rewards us..would things be
different then?

-Gel




-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:28 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)


Err - so what - Jesus should come back down and yell 'stop it'? Sorry,
but that seems like a ridiculous argument. Last time I checked, -we-
were responsible for what we did, not God. How is Jesus responsible for
this? 

-rc

> 
> "If someone is not responsible for what is done in his name
> then he should not put his name out there to take responsibility." 
> 
> At 11:07 AM 4/15/02, you wrote:
> >I don't know of one war that Jesus brought. Name one.
> >
> >Oh, and don't name wars that man brought in Jesus's name --
> that isn't
> >Jesus's doing.
> >
> >H.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:05 AM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> >
> >
> >Actually..all he has brought is war.
> >
> >-Gel
> >
> >>Jesus Christ has not brought world peace YET!
> >>
> >>


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