I'm all too familiar with that scenario. One temp contract job I got as a grad student was doing the analysis on one set of drug company experiments. Really complex design involving thousands of subjects. Partitioning the effects was a nightmare. programming a shopping cart is easier in retrospect.
larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:20 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > Clinical trials can only cover so much..... > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:16 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > At the same time the current drug regime and approval process was the > result > of some pretty egregious actions by the drug companies when there was > very > little drug regulation. The problem now is finding a balance. > Moreover a > lot > of the safety testing, from what I understand, is done from a > defensive > standpoint, in order to avoid future litigation. I'd hate to be a > scientist > working for Merck or Hoffman-LaRoche etc and tell the lawyer > during due > diligence that no we did not test for x y or z. > > another major problem is that there is no real way to get a dosage > effect - > while we know how much of that drug may affect acne, how much Accutane > does > it take to effect affect in a certain portion of the population? > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:07 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: From the OMFG files > > > > > > Thanks Larry, > > > > I tend to agree with you on this one. My take on it is > > that some lawyer got wind of this and convinced the parents > > that Accutane was the reason. > > > > The parents are motivated by being able to point the finger > > at someone else and not have to look at themselves. IMO, > > that will only be temporary. If they were irresponsible in > > the sense that they didn't take, what most people would > > consider to be, basic steps to intervene, then they will have > > to live with that their whole lives. No matter what you > > convince others of, you still have to live with the demons within. > > > > As for the lawyers, well. That's pretty self explanatory. > > Big (drug) corporation with deep pockets. They are figuring > > the worst thing that will happen is a settlement. > > > > Those are what I see to be the motivations. I hope that they > > (the FDA who ironically approved the drug in the first place, > > but don't get me started on self/un regulated governmental > > agencies) keep looking into this and either ensure that > > appropriate measures are taken or remove the drug if it is > > deemed to be more trouble than it's worth. I mean no offense > > to anyone here who needed to use it, but it's only acne. > > It's not like you'll die. I didn't suffer from it, so it > > might be easy for me to say that, but I'm not a big fan of > > medication anyways. It just seems like an awful risk for > > something that boils down to cosmetic improvements. > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Larry Lyons > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:33 PM > > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > > > > Michael, > > > > regarding whether chemical xyz can affect the abc part of > > the brain - in a > > nutshell yes. You can even try this experiment yourself, > > drink about 18 > > ounces of very high proof vodka and observe the effects. > > Hook an EEG with at > > least 256 electrodes and I can start to produce a 3 D > > electrical activity > > map of the brain. Even better you can use a device called a > > functional MRI > > and create maps of the neurochemical uptake activity of the > > brain. All of > > these measures will show changes in the same regions in the > > brain. When I > > was at Virginia Tech, we were looking at EEG activity in > > the brain as it > > related to attention and how we process attentional > > information. There are > > clearly defined neural pathways involved in these > > cognitions and behaviors > > and they can be traced. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:16 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: From the OMFG files > > > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > I know that you have a better understanding of how certain > > > chemicals effect the brain, so can there ever be sufficient > > > and conclusive evidence that Accutane is the reason for it? > > > Can it be shown that chemical xyz effects the abc part of the > > > brain? If it can, then they should hold liability. I'm not > > > disagreeing here or trying to put some weird spin on it. I > > > am just wondering if it can be as simple as saying that. > > > Like we know that alcohol effects certain parts of the brain. > > > Can the same be said of the acne medicine? > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Larry Lyons > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:01 AM > > > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > > > > > > > Not excusing the kid, but what if there was a causal link > > > between the two. > > > Until we get the full story I do not think we should be so > > > quick to condemn. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > -- > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > EBStor.com > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > -- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:59 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again it goes back to the whole "Try to find someone > > > > else to blame > > > > for your actions, rather than take responsibility > > > yourself" mentality > > > > that our country seems to have today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:50 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: From the OMFG files > > > > > > > > (CNN) -- The mother of a teen-age boy who flew a Cessna > > > > aircraft into a > > > > Tampa office building filed a $70 million wrongful death and > > > > negligence lawsuit Tuesday against the manufacturers of a > > > drug the boy > > > > took to treat acne. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/16/teen.pilot.lawsuit/index.html > > > > > > > > Hmmm, no wonder the US is known as the lawsuit capital of > > > the known > > > > world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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