> > I'm not making the argument that it can not move past its violence. I'm > making the argument that there needs to be effort to do so. Effort from the > inside.
And there is. An increasing effort. Perhaps it doesn't pass muster by your standard, but it's there. > > If a law says beat or murder another and that law is used to actually beat > or murder someone then the person doing it is wrong. When a law says beat > or > murder another and is used by lots of people then we've got a problem with > the law. Agreed. Let's take Christianity for example. It has 600+ years on Islam. Where was Christianity 1400 years into it's inception? On a crusade to wipe out Islam. Burning witches and sorcerers etc. It may not be an overly applicable point, but it is what it is. Ultimately my point is that Islam is capable of adapting it's religious text and teachings in the same way Christianity and Judaism did. Gruss saying they're incapable is just plain bigotry and he's hiding behind news stories of violence to justify it in his own mind. It's reminiscent of people that felt justified being racist against blacks because of Phil Ruston's work. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:288832 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
