On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michael Grant <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I'm not making the argument that it can not move past its violence. I'm > > making the argument that there needs to be effort to do so. Effort from > the > > inside. > > > And there is. An increasing effort. Perhaps it doesn't pass muster by your > standard, but it's there. Where? I guess its just not enough for my standards. But then again, I'm living nice and safe in America...like NOW is. > > If a law says beat or murder another and that law is used to actually > beat > > or murder someone then the person doing it is wrong. When a law says beat > > or > > murder another and is used by lots of people then we've got a problem > with > > the law. > > > You speak as if time is a flat surface with all events being disconnected and equal in their own segment. The world of the 1400's is not the world of today and if you're going to say that Islam now is like the Christian church of the 1400s then my point is made. The church at 1400 WAS the world (at least to them). Islam at 1400 should be part of the world. Maybe its the kicking and screaming into joining the world's morals that's the problem. 'Westerners' have one take on what is moral and Islam has another. > Agreed. > > Let's take Christianity for example. It has 600+ years on Islam. Where was > Christianity 1400 years into it's inception? On a crusade to wipe out > Islam. > Burning witches and sorcerers etc. It may not be an overly applicable > point, > but it is what it is. Ultimately my point is that Islam is capable of > adapting it's religious text and teachings in the same way Christianity and > Judaism did. Gruss saying they're incapable is just plain bigotry and he's > hiding behind news stories of violence to justify it in his own mind. It's > reminiscent of people that felt justified being racist against blacks > because of Phil Ruston's work. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:288838 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
