And I think this is a great time to say "unrelieved greed without
performance is not going to be blindly accepted any more".

Unrelieved greed _with_ matching performance is still perfectly fine.


On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > JJ wrote:
> > They failed in their job. They failed their company. They should not get
> any
> > bonus.
> >
> > And no, it isnt a tempest in a teapot. It is a perfect example of the
> bigger
> > problem, on an understandable scale.
> >
>
> Well - you know me I'm not partisan at all - but what's happening is
> we're revealing what 25 years of fuck-the-little-guy policy has
> wrought not to mention the whole environment was turbo-charged in the
> last 8 years by Bush.
>
> I mean we're asking GM workers - not that I agree with a GM bailout -
> to renegotiate their contracts and take one for the team while we give
> the financial services industry - the very people that created this
> hell - bonuses.
>
> It's not a small issue.
>
> I say having already been pissed off at this industry.  My wife used
> to work at a hedge fund and we have "had a relationship" with Morgan
> Stanley London, CommerzBank, and Bear Stearns.
>
> We purposely chose to leave that industry because a.) we'd would've
> had to have moved to NY, and b.) the people sucked.
>
> Bear was literally like a frat house.
>
> Goldman was offering insane amounts of cash.  $200K+ to start with min
> bonus+ meaning, at the time, $500K+ perf bonus.  And then there was
> incentive awards, appreciation rewards, retention awards, and all the
> benefits such as party-time 3 martini lunches on the house.  And
> dinners, and events, and tickets and on and on.
>
> This for a new MBA grad.  It's was almost $1M per year.
>
> We'd probably be in NY now if we hadn't already had experience in the
> industry and knew exactly what the lifestyle was.
>
> My point is "trickle-down" economics.
>
> You see any money trickling down?  After 25 years of trickle down your
> average salary is lower than 10 years ago and you're poorer.
>
> And Wall St is getting bonuses.
>
> This rot-at-the-top plain and simple enabled by 25 years of policy
> that thought if we gave the top lots of money they'd make a lot of
> money for us.
>
> Wrong.
>
> So the next time someone says trickle-down economics is a great idea,
> punch them in face.
>
> Then tell them your fist trickled down to their face.
>


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