Do I know what's in the hearts of the protesters? No. Do I know that they are being gunned down and there should be strong words of protest about it from the world? Yes. I don't expect the UN, US, or anyone to change the government of Iran. I do expect them to say something about their actions and (at least in the UN's case) try to do something about them. The UN is basically ignoring this. That's the focus here. The UN. Obama is a secondary thing. His strong stance denouncing the killings and calling for the Iranian government to stop is refreshing. Oh, he didn't do that? Well, I guess it's egotistical to think that the president should do that.
As for what's going on over there and who the players are, it's all over the news for most/all to see. One side is no better than the other but at least to the people in Iran there's a difference. I don't care who wins. I care how they treat their people and how they're going to treat people outside their borders. I don't expect any Iranian government to stop their nuclear program. I don't expect any Iranian government to stop funding terrorism. That is, any government short of a full revolution, which ain't happening any time soon. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Gruss Gott<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dino wrote: >> Our president has been making it his point to reach out to the worlds >> Muslims under the idea of 'repairing' Bush. So here we have a nation >> of Muslims trying to have free elections and protesting a dictatorship >> and rather than show support for these Muslims, at least in words, >> what do we get? >> > > But that's just it - do you know what they're trying to do? Do you > what they're protesting? Neither of us do. > > At first it was a protest over the election of a mostly feeble PM > role; it's the Supreme dude that controls all of the military and the > rest of country. > > Now it looks like they may be protesting against that Supreme dude but > do they just want a new supreme dude or do they want a new system? > > And this mousawi guy was one of the original leaders of the purge and > still has a seat on its council! Is that guy a huge win even if his > role is more powerful than the existing one? > > You're making a BUNCH of huge assumptions and none of them pass the sniff > test: > > (1.) We don't know what's going on > > (2.) We don't know what the Iranians what. > > (3.) We have horrific history with the people, the country, and the region > > (4.) We don't know who to support (musawi, rafsanjani, other?) > > (5.) We have no idea what effect our saying something beyond what's > been said will have. > > So the DATA-DRIVEN answer is to speak out broadly (as Obama has - read > his speeches) and then watch and wait. > > It's kind of egotistical to think beyond that in my opinon. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:299085 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
