> Mary Jo wrote:
> Well, one can call themselves anything they wish, but that doesn't 
> necessarily make it accurate.

I'm just going by what Jesus called them.

Both Thomas and John were apostles and thus both "Christian".  But one
core difference is pretty clear: when John says "though Jesus Christ"
what he means is that you personally are nothing without him.

I don't believe that, Thomas didn't believe it, and neither did Jesus;
at least he certainly supported Thomas' view that "the light" was
within us all and that Thomas' questioning and search for personal
truth was glorifying him.

So the question who did Jesus consider Christian?

My contention is that most everything you've learned in Christian
church - the "religion" - comes from John's interpretation of a proper
Christian life.

Yet Thomas - also an apostle - describes a totally different life.
One that no Christian church that I've ever found teaches, probably
for the reasons that Judah pointed out.

Because in Thomas' view, the physics classroom IS church, and they
can't make money selling THAT search for truth.

To take this even further, there's a reason why neo-cons are also
fundamentalists: they love John's follow-me-or-go-to-hell message.

That was the core George Bush's campaigns.

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