I never said that there weren't any Jews there. Just not an Israel. The whole Diaspora thing was kicked off when the Romans booted them from the region. That is the reason my family came to the US from Warsaw rather than Israel. Let me ask you this Michael. If the UN came in and said to you that we are giving the property that you own back to its original owners...the North American Indians...would you give it up? Probably not. Why should the Palestinians be any more cooperative? The new Israel is an artificial state. Once that was created by taking away the lands of people that lived there for 2000 years after the old Israel was destroyed and it's people scattered to the four corners of the earth. Thos that did manage to remain, lived peacefully with their Muslim brothers, that was until the new state of Israel was forced on them and Palestinians were taken away from olive groves that they and their ancestors farmed (not sure what you call an olive grower :-D) for generations.
While Israel did give up Gaza, they kept it in a state of siege. The land around it was surrounded by the IDF. The sea was blockaded by the Navy. The air controlled by the air force. Hardly the actions of a state that is open to peace. Israel has become the warmongering Israelites of the Old Testaments...hell bent on doing whatever they can to oppress and destroy the Palestinian people. Why should you be surprised when the Palestinians have had enough of Israel's fascist tactics and fight back? What is truly sad is that instead of learning from their trials and tribulations at the hands of the Nazi's, they learned from it. If the same thing happened here in the US, you better damn well believe that I would be doing the same thing. Terrorism hasn't ended on Israel's side either. Their continued encroachment on Palestinian lands has not stopped. If you want to stop a terrorist leader, you send it a police force to arrest him...you dont send in Apache Gunships and F-15's in to launch missiles and drop bombs in civilians areas. You dont use illegal arms like White Phosphorus against the people of Gaza. Netanyahu doesn't want peace...he wants Jerusalem, plain and simple. He made that pretty clear. He made it pretty clear that he and his fellow neo-fascists have no intention of complying with international agreements. They have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East 1. Jews have been in Israel and Jerusalem specifically for all of those years. We're not some new element that never existed there. Passover starts next week and it ends with a single sentence. A sentence said for generations by millions of Jews. Next your in Jerusalem. NO other people on earth say this. No Muslim, no Christian, no one. Our connection has never wavered. 2. If Israel didn't have an interest in a peaceful solution, they would have never given Gaza up to the Palestinians. No Jews at all in Gaza. Even the Nazi's dreamed of that. Israel agave control over Palestinian life to the PA, gave them land, gave them all the things you accuse them of holding back but they have YET to give them a state. And why? Because of Gaza. Because terrorism has not ended. Because incitement to terrorism has not ended. There is no encroachment, there is giving up of land. You talk about agreements? Have you read them? Have you read the Oslo accords? No mention of settlements. But there is mention of a stop to incitement. Have you read the agreement to freeze construction in the west bank - disputed land according to international law, not occupied like rhetoric states. The agreement clearly states that construction in Jerusalem is exempt. the US SIGNED OFF on this agreement. If Biden is pissed about an announcement of construction then maybe he hasn't read his own governments agreements. Agreements go both ways. But maybe the lack of peace is Abbass refusal to talk to Israel. Maybe it's his holding off for more concessions. Jerusalem is an issue of negotiations, not of American command. But yes, aid to Israel should be cut off. Aid to the Palestinians should be cut off. Aid to Egypt should be cut off. Let the middle east fend for itself. Sorry, but your argument shows a full and total lack of understanding of what is going on and especially of history. > I dont support Israel because I think they are no different than Hamas > other then they use their military to terrorize people. We need to cut off > support completely, especially after this most recent incident where they > essential told Biden to go fuck himself. Netanyahu state that 3,000 years > ago, Israel built Jerusalem...well 2,000 years ago, the Romans kicked Israel > out and until a little over 50 years ago, Israel didn't exist. Not a very > strong argument. Israel has no interest in a peaceful solution with > Palestine. They would rather act like a spoiled child that always gets her > way since the US blocks any action taken against Israel (who, BTW, has had > more UN resolutions leveled against her than Iraq had...). I think the > appropriate action for the US now would be to suspend all aid until Israel > complies with all agreement and stops encroaching on Palestinian lands. > > That is not anti-Semitism btw...that is justice. > > Tikkun Olam! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:313917 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
