He bill requires it actually if the cops suspect they are illegal. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Closing the border
Judah, Where in the text of the bill does it allow the cops to pull over and demand identification from anyone? Everyone keeps saying that, but I don't see it. But, regardless of whether that ability for police exists (I don't think the bill allows that - nor SHOULD the bill allow that, demanding papers randomly is NOT American), let us set that aside for the moment. We will come back to it, I promise. How about the other provisions? 1. no hiring 2. no aiding illegal entry 3. no transporting 4. cities and churches no longer being able to create sanctuaries 5. not releasing illegals from jail without checking. 6. making being illegal a misdemeanor. 7. making false documents illegal 8. no causing traffic jams at day labor pickup spots. Are they also hamfisted for you? But, even before that, I would love to know how each person here would answer these questions: 1. is it illegal to be "undocumented"? 2. is it a crime? 3. should it be a crime? 4. is it wrong? 5. should illegal immigrants be given a plaque? ignored? fined? deported? jailed and then deported? 6. should there be a border? my answers: 1. yes 2. yes 3. yes 4. no. and yes. do the crime, do the time. but it may still be right for some people, even with the penalties. 5. deport except in unique circumstances. 6. yes On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, which parts of the bill do you like? It seems like a > rather hamfisted attempt at dealing with immigration issues. > > I mean, come on, empowering the cops to pull over and demand > identification from anyone they might suspect is an illegal immigrant? > How, exactly, does one reasonably decide that a person might be an > illegal immigrant? Is it what they look like or wear? Some sort of > furtive movement like they use as a pretext for drug searches? What > makes you say, "that person is an illegal immigrant"? > > I'm genuinely curious. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:316653 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
