I'm down with that Jerry. If I'm driving, I should carry a drivers license. If I'm fishing, carry a fishing license. I just don't want to see the day where there is a "living license". Thats the big ol difference between rights and privileges.
As for probable cause, I'm right there too. Which is the problem I have with the Arizona law. The bill says "any legal contact", period. That isn't probable cause, it isn't reasonable suspicion. Any agent of any government, be it dog catcher or cop, who has any legal contact can demand proof of immigration status. And there is a provision for ordinary citizens to be able to sue any part of the government (city, county, state) if they feel like they aren't doing a good enough job. So if Joe Schmoe doesn't think that the local school board is doing good enough job asking for papers from parents at a PTA meeting, they can sue for enforcement. Do you think that that is going to at all encourage the school board to ask about immigration status from any parents with brown skin, just to try and prevent a budget-draining lawsuit? Judah On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > I _completely_ agree with that. > > I truthfully don't like the fact that resident aliens have to carry > documentation at all time. that is too much like Hogan's Heroes for me to > like. > > But, this AZ law doesn't CHANGE that. > > Like the story last week about the Seattle security geek that would not give > his name, and was arrested, then lied to by the Seattle police, no, you > needn't talk to them unless you want. I know that not all cops are smart or > good. But they aren't all bad, either. It is our job to give them just > enough leeway to do their jobs, and no more. And, like Reagan said about the > Russians, trust but verify. > > No need to produce your license for driving, unless you violate a statute. > then you need to prove you are allowed to drive, and have insurance. If the > police officer didnt have a good reason for pulling you over, the ACLU and > others would be MORE than happy to talk to you. They live for it. > > Most documentation should only be required by you when there is REASONABLE > SUSPICION of the reason for that document being violated. Fishing license. > Insurance. Bar license. Library card. Gun permit. And REASONABLE SUSPICION > does not mean "suspect", or "hunch", but actual repeatable proof. And any > detention can and should only be made on PROBABLY CAUSE that the REASONABLE > SUSPICION has born out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:316693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
