he's less than a script kiddy. He's a total amateur. Did he have any
kind of a record? You guys are going to make me go read the news
stories, aren't you... I do not have time for that shineola! I have
stuff to do. But the danger he currently represents to society is
pretty small, and the danger to him in a county jail is pretty big.

And think of this, if he had had a blog, people would be calling him a
citizen journalist and probably giving him awards as well.

I don't condone what he did -- privacy is important. But the alleged
victim in this case is a public figure whose wrongdoing was exposed
through his actions. Where he deviated from eligibility for press
protection is that he gave what he found to someone who made political
hay with it. (his dad? not sure)

I reserve the right to change my mind about this once I get a better
handle on what came out at trial, but that's the way it looks from
here.

And actually, I am not really doing the ethical hacker on you, Scout.
I am doing a damage assessment. A crooked politician was mildly
embarrassed, Wah, wah wah. As for the term, have used it myself for
the guys who were tryinig to get into a client network from some
zombie botnet in Vietnam. I spent Friday night working at the Hacker
Dojo where "hacker" means a guy who makes stuff work. It's not the way
the word is used in the mass media, but they get pretty heated about
it there.



On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:15 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> You're coming at this from the point of view of an ethical hacker and
> professional.  I assure you on the black hat side of things you know as well
> as I do that the intrusion method isn't as important as the intrusion
> itself.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:23 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Palin email hacking case - guilty!
>
>
> I know all sorts of people who would tell you that he was not a
> hacker, either, just a black hat who now makes money off his
> reputation,
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computing)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Ethic
>
> but I have things to do and am not going to argue the usage as applied
> to Mitnick. This kid did not need even script kiddy skills therefore I
> don't believe that anyone would agree with you.
>
> I do however want to say that I do not think that punking Palin merits
> a sentence of likely gang rape. Community service perhaps, perhaps in
> a hackerspace where he can make himself useful or better yet in his
> local library teaching people how to secure their passwords.
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>  but it's not a jail time thing in a world where Scooter Libby
>>> skates.
>>
>> that subject was beaten, beheaded, cremated and buried. let's not
>> resurrect it from the dead.
>>
>> And by the way, he did not HACK her account. If changed her
>>> password by using publicly available information to answer the
>>> security question.
>>
>> that's still hacking. one-time super-hacker Kevin Mitnick did most of
>> his damage through social engineering of exactly this sort.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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