It is still a crime, no matter what analogy you tie to it. The fact that the victim may have been 'stupid' does not make it any less fo a crime and does not make him any less guilty of committing that crime.
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[email protected]> wrote: > > a more correct analogy would be someone who walked into your house, looked at > a bunch of stuff, then left and changed the locks. > > the guy didn't actually steal anything...at least as far as I can tell. > > >> >> >> So, if you purposely leave your house unlocked, it would be OK for >> someone to just walk in a take stuff? >> >> Or is it only if you think the person leaving themselves open to >> attack are stupid or disagree with your political ideology? >> >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I do, especially in this case. She testified at his trial and when >>> they asked her why she chose such an easy-to-guess security question >>> she said that she wasn't trying to keep the answer secret. Headsmack. >>> >>> See my point? >>> >>> Mind you, the idiot at Yahoo who wrote the stupid question, which >>> would be easily guessed in almost everyone's case, deserves to be >>> painted pink and made to walk naked through the Castro District. That >>> person should have known better. >>> >>> And so should she. She was the governor of a large state and is a >>> sure-fire presidential candidate. She didn't see the point of a secret >>> question that is secret? Sweet Jesus. She was conducting public >>> business on that account. >>> >>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> OK, first 'crooked politician' is redundant. You cannot get to the >>>> level VP or presidential level without some skeletons in your closet. >>>> SOme are juts better at keeping them hidden or making people believe >>>> the skeletons don't actually exist. >>>> >>>> I don't think the criteria of 'is the person dangerous' should be the >>>> only criteria for a jail sentence. Prison is not just to protect the >>>> general public from 'bad guys' its to punish those who break the law >>>> (and get caught, tried and convicted). Do I think this guy should get >>>> a long jail sentence? Not at all, but I think some jail time is >>>> warranted. as well as some community service. I like the idea of >>>> teaching people how to secure their online accounts with strogn >>>> passwords and good 'secret questions' >>>> >>>> Lastly, I do not think it matters how he gained acces to her account. >>>> If you left your front door wide open and someone just walked in a >>>> took stuff, is it any less of a crime than someone who picked the lock >>>> to gain entry? >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> he's less than a script kiddy. He's a total amateur. Did he have any >>>>> kind of a record? You guys are going to make me go read the news >>>>> stories, aren't you... I do not have time for that shineola! I have >>>>> stuff to do. But the danger he currently represents to society is >>>>> pretty small, and the danger to him in a county jail is pretty big. >>>>> >>>>> And think of this, if he had had a blog, people would be calling him a >>>>> citizen journalist and probably giving him awards as well. >>>>> >>>>> I don't condone what he did -- privacy is important. But the alleged >>>>> victim in this case is a public figure whose wrongdoing was exposed >>>>> through his actions. Where he deviated from eligibility for press >>>>> protection is that he gave what he found to someone who made political >>>>> hay with it. (his dad? not sure) >>>>> >>>>> I reserve the right to change my mind about this once I get a better >>>>> handle on what came out at trial, but that's the way it looks from >>>>> here. >>>>> >>>>> And actually, I am not really doing the ethical hacker on you, Scout. >>>>> I am doing a damage assessment. A crooked politician was mildly >>>>> embarrassed, Wah, wah wah. As for the term, have used it myself for >>>>> the guys who were tryinig to get into a client network from some >>>>> zombie botnet in Vietnam. I spent Friday night working at the Hacker >>>>> Dojo where "hacker" means a guy who makes stuff work. It's not the way >>>>> the word is used in the mass media, but they get pretty heated about >>>>> it there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:15 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're coming at this from the point of view of an ethical hacker and >>>>>> professional. I assure you on the black hat side of things you know as >> well >>>>>> as I do that the intrusion method isn't as important as the intrusion >>>>>> itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:23 AM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Palin email hacking case - guilty! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know all sorts of people who would tell you that he was not a >>>>>> hacker, either, just a black hat who now makes money off his >>>>>> reputation, >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computing) >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Ethic >>>>>> >>>>>> but I have things to do and am not going to argue the usage as applied >>>>>> to Mitnick. This kid did not need even script kiddy skills therefore I >>>>>> don't believe that anyone would agree with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do however want to say that I do not think that punking Palin merits >>>>>> a sentence of likely gang rape. Community service perhaps, perhaps in >>>>>> a hackerspace where he can make himself useful or better yet in his >>>>>> local library teaching people how to secure their passwords. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> but it's not a jail time thing in a world where Scooter Libby >>>>>>>> skates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that subject was beaten, beheaded, cremated and buried. let's not >>>>>>> resurrect it from the dead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And by the way, he did not HACK her account. If changed her >>>>>>>> password by using publicly available information to answer the >>>>>>>> security question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that's still hacking. one-time super-hacker Kevin Mitnick did most of >>>>>>> his damage through social engineering of exactly this sort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:317120 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
