Positive reinforcement works much better than punishment. All to often punishment doesn't decrease the target behavior, it merely serves to reinforce the person punishing the other. At the most punishment provides a disruption to the behavior, allowing for competing behaviors to be reinforced. So if you decide to spank your kid for some transgression, reward him for doing something that is incompatible with whatever you objected to.
The literature in this area all show that a combination of positive reinforcement of target behaviors with the non-reinforcement of undesirable behaviors is the most effective combination for learning. For instance, just look at slot machines or video games. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:38 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > The Operant Conditioning thing is HYUGE in dog training at > the moment. So > the definitions are all over the place. Its nice that the > dog training crew > has moved to positive reinforcement for dog training. To bad > the penal > system can't do the same. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:05 AM > Subject: RE: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > > beth, > > > > That's about the best definitions of punishers and > reinforcers I've read > > outside of grad school. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:36 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > > > > > > > You have your terms confused slightly - the removal of "good > > > things" is > > > "negative punishment". It works but it works much slower > > > than Positive > > > Punishment. > > > Negative Punishment > > > > > > Negative punishment is reducing behavior by taking away > > > Something Good. If > > > the animal was enjoying or depending on Something Good she > > > will work to > > > avoid it getting taken away. They are less likely to repeat a > > > behavior that > > > results in the loss of a Good Thing. This type of consequence > > > is a little > > > harder to control. > > > > > > Positive Punishment > > > > > > Positive punishment is something that is applied to reduce a > > > behavior. The > > > term "positive" often confuses people, because in common > > > terms "positive" > > > means something good, upbeat, happy, pleasant, rewarding. > > > Remember, this is > > > technical terminology we're using, though, so here "positive" > > > means "added" > > > or "started". Also keep in mind that in these terms, it is > > > not the animal > > > that is "punished" (treated badly to pay for some moral > > > wrong), but the > > > behavior that is punished (reduced). Positive punishment, > when applied > > > correctly, is the most effective way to stop unwanted > > > behaviors. Its main > > > flaw is that it does not teach specific alternative behaviors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Nate Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > > > > > > > > Well, it could be argued that the freedoms you enjoy > everyday IS the > > > > intended positive reinforcement. Not granting those > > > anymore being the > > > > punishment. > > > > > > > > =P~ > > > > > > > > Nate Nielsen > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's funny .. we train animals with positive > > > reinforcement, but we try > > > to > > > > > train those that break the law using negative > > > reinforcement. Guess > > > which > > > > > group we have better success with? > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:57 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, the intended purpose of our prison system > should either be > > > > punishment > > > > > > or rehabilitation. Or perhaps both. I would think that > > > punishment > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > cheaper than what we have now, and rehabilitation > would be worth > > > paying > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
