beth,

That's about the best definitions of punishers and reinforcers I've read
outside of grad school. 

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:36 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol
> 
> 
> You have your terms confused slightly  - the removal of "good 
> things" is
> "negative punishment".  It works but it works much slower 
> than Positive
> Punishment.
> Negative Punishment
> 
> Negative punishment is reducing behavior by taking away 
> Something Good. If
> the animal was enjoying or depending on Something Good she 
> will work to
> avoid it getting taken away. They are less likely to repeat a 
> behavior that
> results in the loss of a Good Thing. This type of consequence 
> is a little
> harder to control.
> 
> Positive Punishment
> 
> Positive punishment is something that is applied to reduce a 
> behavior. The
> term "positive" often confuses people, because in common 
> terms "positive"
> means something good, upbeat, happy, pleasant, rewarding. 
> Remember, this is
> technical terminology we're using, though, so here "positive" 
> means "added"
> or "started". Also keep in mind that in these terms, it is 
> not the animal
> that is "punished" (treated badly to pay for some moral 
> wrong), but the
> behavior that is punished (reduced). Positive punishment, when applied
> correctly, is the most effective way to stop unwanted 
> behaviors. Its main
> flaw is that it does not teach specific alternative behaviors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol
> 
> 
> > Well, it could be argued that the freedoms you enjoy everyday IS the
> > intended positive reinforcement.  Not granting those 
> anymore being the
> > punishment.
> >
> > =P~
> >
> > Nate Nielsen
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol
> >
> >
> > > It's funny .. we train animals with positive 
> reinforcement, but we try
> to
> > > train those that break the law using negative 
> reinforcement.  Guess
> which
> > > group we have better success with?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Librals Suck ~ lol
> > >
> > >
> > > > But, the intended purpose of our prison system should either be
> > punishment
> > > > or rehabilitation. Or perhaps both.  I would think that 
> punishment
> would
> > > be
> > > > cheaper than what we have now, and rehabilitation would be worth
> paying
> > > for.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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