On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Way out of there scope. We shouldn't care what they think.
>> When people are fighting for democracy it's always a gamble they will
>> lose, but it's wrong to just watch and wait for a winner before taking
>> sides.
>>
> We have to care what China and Russia think for a few key reasons:
>
> (1.) There's no UN resolution without them which would mean we'd have to
> lead a coalition of the willing.  In leading this coalition we'd bomb
> stuff.  In bombing stuff we'd kill innocents (or we'd be portrayed as having
> done so).  The bodies would be paraded on Al Jeezera.  The headlines would
> read, "US kills Arab women and children to steal our oil".  This would not
> be a good thing.

We don't need anyones permission. The UN is useless.
I'm not sure why you're tasking me with this, I never said anything
about troops on the ground or no-fly. I said it sucks to wait for a
leader to emerge and then pat him on the back like we were with him
all along.

> (2.) China and Russia may very well decide to fund or outright join the
> other side - whoever that is.  We have no idea who is fighting whom or what
> they're fighting for; be it democracy or a better mouse trap.  We don't know
> because we suck at understanding Middle Eastern culture.

Cold war mentality? Really?

> (3.) China and Russia would LOVE to have us invade Libya, and would LOVE to
> watch us flail around in the desert burning dollars and lives.  They're both
> loaded with oil while we're not.  Any US involvement in foreign wars
> directly benefits them both.  It would be a huge gift to them.

We are also loaded with oil. But to claim we can't fight any wars
because our cold war enemies like to watch us get weaker is a silly
argument. One you've made repeatedly over the years.


> You don't open your mouth til you know what the shot is, and right now we
> don't even know what it might be.

What a cowardly statement. So you have no principle at

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