Judah,

How do you explain that there are more guns per capita in Switzerland.
Citizens go to the coffee shop with AR15s strapped to their backs, for
example.
And yet there is far, far less gun violence in that country. To the point
where it is almost non existent.

Every adult male gets a Sig550 ASSAULT RIFLE at age 20.

So what are they doing right?

On 24 August 2012 20:11, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> There are very few friendly fire situations in the military, agreed.
> Probably many more accidental deaths of civilians but that tends to
> get seriously hushed up. However, even if we are just talking friendly
> fire, there are still more incidents in Afghanistan than you point to
> as situations where people were saved by concealed carry.
>
> I'm not saying that regular citizens don't sometimes save lives by
> having guns. They do. I'm saying that it is probably much more likely
> that they will cause further damage, however. I will readily admit
> that I don't have any firm numbers on that. I don't believe that
> anyone has figured out how to properly study the situation. So I am
> going based on logic and reason and logic tells me that more guns ==
> more shooting == more people shot.
>
> As for your argument that police only qualify once a year and gun
> enthusiasts go shooting often, I think that misses the point. I think
> that people with concealed carry permits can probably hit a target.
> What they do not practice, however, is judgment, responding to crisis
> situations, target identification, etc. And, biggest of all, they do
> not have rules of engagement. We establish rules of engagement and
> train police and military so that they know when the shit hits the fan
> what they are supposed to do and how to try and deal with a situation
> while minimizing collateral damage. Concealed carry permits do not
> come with anything like that. There are no psych screens, there are no
> incident training sessions, there are no less than lethal options for
> escalation of force.
>
> I like guns. I don't trust people and their judgement. Shit, I don't
> trust cops and their judgement. More guns in the hands of more people
> in more places is not going to improve judgement and that's what we
> have to figure out.
>
> Judah
>
>


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