Larry,

Not sure which Church you go to, but at our church, we welcome all
walks.  We don't shun them.  We hope that if they come to Church God can
have a positive effect on their life, but we would never refuse them.

Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:09 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative

Because you dislike who represents you, you think that all social
funding
should be withdrawn? Religious groups have an extra agenda above and
beyond
the overt mission. It would be all to easy for a group to say, for
instance,
because you are from (insert disliked group here) either you repent of
your
evil ways or else (no food, no shelter etc). Moreover there is far less
independent oversight and control over private religious groups doing
social
work than what you have with  public agencies. The recent scandals in
the
catholic churches in the US and the church supported residential schools
in
Canada are very good examples of why that independent oversight is
needed.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:02 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> 
> 
> I guess this difference comes down to who we fell represents 
> our society.  I do not think our elected officials and 
> appointed governement employees represent our society.  
> 
> Russel
> 
> > 
> > From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 03:54:07 EDT
> > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > 
> > > Actually, my reading on Catholic Christian doctorine says 
> it is our
> > responsibility.  I forget the exact reference, but I think 
> it is the Gospel
> > of >St. John.  "What you do for the least of your brothers, 
> you do for me."
> > 
> > I don't mean it that way - I mean that its our society's 
> responsbility to
> > take care of our society whether or not religious groups do 
> as well.  We
> > can't just wash our hands of the poor and expect someone 
> else to fix the
> > problem.
> > 
> > > I use the old adage "Give a man a fish and you feed him 
> for a day. teach a
> > man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." to guide myself and my
> > activities.  I personally feel that the way I am called to 
> fight poverty is
> > in line with that adage.
> > 
> > 
> > This does not preclude our society as a whole giving the 
> fishing pole as
> > opposed to religious groups.
> > 
> > 
> 

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