Respected by whom? Whose peers?
Certainly not mine. My point is I don't have time to delve into sample and methodology, and I don't know, and therefore don't trust the source. On Feb 14, 2013 2:40 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Its a respected peer reviewed journal. Are you saying that because the > URL is Canadian then its biased? > > If that's the case then there is no further discussion you're only > going for the affirmation of your own beliefs. > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The med thing is a major problem to me. You somehow have to pay for the > > research though. Tough issue. > > > > I'm not going to accept a .ca address as an impartial analysis. Come on > > man. You probably know better than anyone on this list you can make > > numbers say almost anything. > > > > I've also heard you complain about the Canadian system, albeit many many > > moons ago. I know Dana's complained too. > > On Feb 14, 2013 2:30 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Really? > >> > >> Not as good. Average age of death in Canada is lower, infant mortality > >> is lower. A 2007 meta-analysis compared health outcomes in Canada and > >> the US in a Canadian peer-reviewed medical journal. The study found > >> that "health outcomes may be superior in patients cared for in Canada > >> versus the United States, but differences are not consistent." > >> http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1 > >> > >> Then again you can look at price of medication (cheaper in Canada btw) > >> - or why do you think all those seniors are trying to smuggle their > >> meds across the border regularly. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > I'd argue, and from personal experience, that Canada's health care > system > >> > is not as good or as responsive as our own. > >> > > >> > I have an idea, you want 100% health care. Bring back mandetory > >> > conscription across the board. > >> > On Feb 14, 2013 1:43 PM, "Eric Roberts" < > [email protected] > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> That is very untrue G. You can go to the ER, but the ER dose not > >> provide > >> >> meds if you can't afford them because you have no insurance and have > to > >> pay > >> >> full price. ER's just treat the immediate issue. If you have a > chronic > >> >> illness and have no insurance, you are fucked. Not all areas have > >> charity > >> >> health care systems. People with money don't die because they can't > >> afford > >> >> healthcare...Period. Healthcare systems in Canada, the UK, > Scandanavia, > >> >> and > >> >> Germany have shown to be very effective. If you think people in the > >> >> insurance industry care if you live or die, you are smoking some good > >> shit. > >> >> They have whole departments that dedicated to finding ways to deny > >> claims > >> >> so > >> >> you can't afford to get treatment so they can make a higher profit. > >> That > >> >> is > >> >> fact...not hyperbole. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: GMoney [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:27 AM > >> >> To: cf-community > >> >> Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> A lot of Americans WITH money die. > >> >> > >> >> This scenario often painted of Americans lying outside hospital doors > >> and > >> >> dying on their doorsteps because they've been turned away, is a bit > of a > >> >> hyperbole. Yes, the question of adequate health care for low or no > >> income > >> >> citizens is a problem....it's a problem EVERYWHERE.....but the > American > >> >> system is no more or less devoid of it's moral imperative to care for > >> it's > >> >> citizens than any other country. There is no big bad group of people > in > >> >> this > >> >> country who just want to see poor people die and go away. > >> >> > >> >> There are genuine differences in ideas about the best way to get the > >> best > >> >> care to the most amount of people for the least amount of cost. > People > >> who > >> >> oppose the Affordable Care Act are NOT uncaring monsters.....they are > >> >> people > >> >> with genuine concerns...and there are a LOT of them. > >> >> > >> >> History has shown us that giving everything to everyone simply > doesn't > >> >> work...conversely, relying solely on "the market" to take adequate > care > >> of > >> >> everyone, is equally flawed because you just can't view people as > >> >> "commodities". > >> >> > >> >> Statements like "yeah, it really sucks that you still die in America > if > >> you > >> >> don't have enough money" may get you high fives as your next vegan > lunch > >> >> date, but it's somewhat petty and myopicw hen you consider the > reality. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Yeah. It really sucks that you still die in America if you don't > have > >> >> > enough money. > >> >> > > >> >> > The US should look at the Scandinavian states and try to emulate > them. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:361199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
