Scientists and doctors. I don't think that your peers matter much when it comes to scientific research.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > Respected by whom? > > Whose peers? > > Certainly not mine. > > My point is I don't have time to delve into sample and methodology, and I > don't know, and therefore don't trust the source. > On Feb 14, 2013 2:40 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Its a respected peer reviewed journal. Are you saying that because the >> URL is Canadian then its biased? >> >> If that's the case then there is no further discussion you're only >> going for the affirmation of your own beliefs. >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > The med thing is a major problem to me. You somehow have to pay for the >> > research though. Tough issue. >> > >> > I'm not going to accept a .ca address as an impartial analysis. Come on >> > man. You probably know better than anyone on this list you can make >> > numbers say almost anything. >> > >> > I've also heard you complain about the Canadian system, albeit many many >> > moons ago. I know Dana's complained too. >> > On Feb 14, 2013 2:30 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Really? >> >> >> >> Not as good. Average age of death in Canada is lower, infant mortality >> >> is lower. A 2007 meta-analysis compared health outcomes in Canada and >> >> the US in a Canadian peer-reviewed medical journal. The study found >> >> that "health outcomes may be superior in patients cared for in Canada >> >> versus the United States, but differences are not consistent." >> >> http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1 >> >> >> >> Then again you can look at price of medication (cheaper in Canada btw) >> >> - or why do you think all those seniors are trying to smuggle their >> >> meds across the border regularly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I'd argue, and from personal experience, that Canada's health care >> system >> >> > is not as good or as responsive as our own. >> >> > >> >> > I have an idea, you want 100% health care. Bring back mandetory >> >> > conscription across the board. >> >> > On Feb 14, 2013 1:43 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> That is very untrue G. You can go to the ER, but the ER dose not >> >> provide >> >> >> meds if you can't afford them because you have no insurance and have >> to >> >> pay >> >> >> full price. ER's just treat the immediate issue. If you have a >> chronic >> >> >> illness and have no insurance, you are fucked. Not all areas have >> >> charity >> >> >> health care systems. People with money don't die because they can't >> >> afford >> >> >> healthcare...Period. Healthcare systems in Canada, the UK, >> Scandanavia, >> >> >> and >> >> >> Germany have shown to be very effective. If you think people in the >> >> >> insurance industry care if you live or die, you are smoking some good >> >> shit. >> >> >> They have whole departments that dedicated to finding ways to deny >> >> claims >> >> >> so >> >> >> you can't afford to get treatment so they can make a higher profit. >> >> That >> >> >> is >> >> >> fact...not hyperbole. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: GMoney [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:27 AM >> >> >> To: cf-community >> >> >> Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A lot of Americans WITH money die. >> >> >> >> >> >> This scenario often painted of Americans lying outside hospital doors >> >> and >> >> >> dying on their doorsteps because they've been turned away, is a bit >> of a >> >> >> hyperbole. Yes, the question of adequate health care for low or no >> >> income >> >> >> citizens is a problem....it's a problem EVERYWHERE.....but the >> American >> >> >> system is no more or less devoid of it's moral imperative to care for >> >> it's >> >> >> citizens than any other country. There is no big bad group of people >> in >> >> >> this >> >> >> country who just want to see poor people die and go away. >> >> >> >> >> >> There are genuine differences in ideas about the best way to get the >> >> best >> >> >> care to the most amount of people for the least amount of cost. >> People >> >> who >> >> >> oppose the Affordable Care Act are NOT uncaring monsters.....they are >> >> >> people >> >> >> with genuine concerns...and there are a LOT of them. >> >> >> >> >> >> History has shown us that giving everything to everyone simply >> doesn't >> >> >> work...conversely, relying solely on "the market" to take adequate >> care >> >> of >> >> >> everyone, is equally flawed because you just can't view people as >> >> >> "commodities". >> >> >> >> >> >> Statements like "yeah, it really sucks that you still die in America >> if >> >> you >> >> >> don't have enough money" may get you high fives as your next vegan >> lunch >> >> >> date, but it's somewhat petty and myopicw hen you consider the >> reality. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yeah. It really sucks that you still die in America if you don't >> have >> >> >> > enough money. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The US should look at the Scandinavian states and try to emulate >> them. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:361222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
