On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM, GMoney wrote:

> Well...not according to the Dec of Independence....we didn't give
> anything to ourselves......these rights are inalienable, they can't be
> separated from us, and they were endowed in us by our Creator.
>

True, but to split hairs, that's still saying that WE are making that
claim, not god. The bible is full of references of God talking to someone
through flaming landscaping and whatnot, and is generally considered the
word of god.

The Dec of Independence is the word of man. We humans wrote it, even if we
give someone else credit, it's a concept we came up with as human beings.
These truths are "self evident", meaning that they are obvious to us, not
that god spoke to us and declared them via a frozen mud puddle or a talking
goat.

-Cameron

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