> I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't > pass the 'smell test' to me,
it passes mine > and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it > was him in this situation. Based on the evidence I disagree > What I think happened is that he tried to be a > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin > defended himself. I think you are very close to being right. The only difference is What I think happened is - Zimmerman tried to a tough guy (for whatever stupid reason) and - Martin being a "tough kid" smacked the idiot up-side-head (ie: cold cocked him) - when Zimmerman came around a corner (after talking to the police) to supposedly "stalk him" ---- this probably dropped Zimmerman to the ground. Martin then produced to sit on Zimmerman - and beat the shit out of him. I believe Martin probably said something like - "you're gonna die tonight MF" (ad-libbing here of course) And the only way for Zimmerman to exit this situation with his life - was to pull the trigger. Who's fault is it: Both idiots were at fault. for being stupid. Unfortunately, one of the idiots died. As for making Martin a martyr and comparing Martin to "Martin Luther King" .. give me a break. There were 2 idiots that night. Neither of them compare to Martin Luther King. On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am not sure where you got that idea from Sam, I said nothing of the sort. > > I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't > pass the 'smell test' to me, and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it > was him in this situation. What I think happened is that he tried to be a > tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin > defended himself. Pure speculation of course. > > Again, the only version we heard was Zimmerman's because Martin did not > survive the encounter. > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> So let's get this straight. You think Zimmerman called the po-po, then >> attacked with intent to kill because black, because he learned in school >> how to use the law to get away with it? >> >> . >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman, or saw Martin on top of Zimmerman >>> after the 'attack' started? >>> >>> Subtle but important distinction. Just because Martin was on top of him >> at >>> some point does not mean he 'started it'. It is just as likely that >> Martin >>> was defending himself from Zimmerman. >>> >>> It is very easy to create reasonable doubt when the other guy cannot tel >>> their side of the story. >>> >>> I understand he was found 'not guilty' because the law in Florida made it >>> pretty much impossible to convict him, but that does not take away from >> the >>> fact that, after being told not to, he followed (does that word work >>> better for you) , shot and killed a minor. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The witnesses? >>>> >>>> Did git even follow the trial? >>>> >>>> The girl friend was proven to be lying. >>>> >>>> The other lady ADMITTED she was lying. Based off what she saw on tv. >>>> >>>> He fired up, from his back while the kid was on top of him. His head >> was >>>> smashed into the ground and his nose broken. >>>> >>>> Finally you yourself just won the case for me. >>>> >>>> In our system all you need to do is provide a reasonable doubt. There >> is >>>> more than reasonable doubt >>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:11 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not true. In some places they are sworn officers. Even so, what he >> was >>>> told >>>>> was sound advice and any reasonable person would have heeded said >>> advice. >>>>> >>>>> How do we know Zimmerman did not 'attack' first? Oh, right...we have >>> take >>>>> the word of the only one of them who had a gun and used it, and >>>>> coincidentally, was the only one to survive the confrontation. It is >>> not >>>>> like he would have anything to lie about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A minor who attacked him? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yup >>>>>> >>>>>> Following and questioning people in public, even photographing and >>>>>> recording them is totally legal. Dispatchers as you work know >> aren't >>>>> sworn >>>>>> officers and can't TELL you to do a damn thing. >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's see....he followed Martin in his car, and then, after being >>>> told >>>>>> not >>>>>>> to by the 911 operator, he pursued martin on foot. Sounds like >>>> stalking >>>>>> to >>>>>>> me or maybe it is 'pursuing', either way, he should not have been >>>> doing >>>>>>> it.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, that aside....I will amend my original comment - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Rescuing' 4 people who were uninjured does not negate the fact >>> that >>>> he >>>>>>> shot and killed a minor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Feel better about that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stalk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't even know what the word means. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've stalked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a ghilie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From a hide site. With a rifle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He asked a kid who was loitering in his neighborhood questions >>> and >>>>> got >>>>>>>> assaulted for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sick of this unarmed nonsense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't need a weapon to cause grave bodily damage and death. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shot and killed ill give you. Not stalked. If he had stalked >> him >>>> he'd >>>>>> be >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> prison. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Trayvon was there long enough for Zimmerman to make phone calls >>> and >>>>>> shit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm gonna look into shit like that all day every day in my >>>>>> neighborhood. >>>>>>>> I'm not even neighborhood watch. Trust and believe I don't >> need a >>>> gun >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> kill. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Top it off with the cracker shit and I see a racist punk kid >> who >>>>> made a >>>>>>>> realbad decision. >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:40 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you implying that because he was found 'not guilty' that >> he >>>> did >>>>>> not >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> fact stalk, shoot and kill an unarmed person? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I never mentioned the verdict, merely the details of the >>>> incident. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM, LRS Scout < >> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Really? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure our judicial system disagreed with you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not even a hung jury. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not guilty. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The cops didn't even want to arrest him, they were made to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But you know better right? >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:17 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He is. 'Rescuing' 4 people with no injuries does not >> negate >>>>> that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> fact >>>>>>>>>>> that he stalked, shot and killed an unarmed person. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, LRS Scout < >>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What a monster. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:13 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was an Onion headline when i first saw >>>>>> it....but >>>>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>>>>> not! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-rescue-family-trapped-suv/story?id=19735432 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:365788 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
