That should read 'when what they believe is labeled as a 'belief''
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is it that some atheists get upset when what the believe is a 'belief'? > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> we've hashed this over a bunch of times, but the atheism literally >> translates to "without gods", anti-theism would be "against gods". I know >> a lot of atheists who could care less what anyone else believes. They >> just >> don't hold a belief in a god or gods. They aren't going out to >> prosthelytize or try to change anyones view. At most, they don't want to >> be bound by someone else's beliefs or superstitions. >> >> I'm even that same way with my daughters. I'm letting them make their own >> decisions on religions/beliefs. Will I hold it against them if they >> become >> believers? No, I won't.....just the same as it doesn't affect me one way >> or the other that their mother is a believer. >> >> But I do really get tired of people calling my lack of belief in a god(s) >> a >> belief. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > I think atheism could fit into #3 on Sam's list. >> > >> > To be honest, hardcore atheists are as annoying (and frequently more >> > annoying) than even the most hardcore religious zealots out there. It >> goes >> > back to what I have been saying for a while, the closer you get to the >> > fringe, the less common sense there is. >> > >> > I like how David Eagleman explains it - >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0b4QCpFGc >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > ok, so which one do you think atheists belong to? Which one of those >> > > classifications does not have a belief >> > > >> > > sometimes I think religious people can't think any other way than in >> the >> > > context of a belief. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > 1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the >> > > > universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman >> > > agency >> > > > or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, >> and >> > > often >> > > > containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. >> > > > >> > > > 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally >> agreed >> > > > upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the >> > > Buddhist >> > > > religion. >> > > > >> > > > 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and >> > > > practices: a world council of religions. >> > > > >> > > > 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. >> > > > >> > > > 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. >> > > > >> > > > . >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling >> > power, >> > > > esp. >> > > > > a personal God or gods. >> > > > > >> > > > > That argument about atheism being a religion reminds me of HGTG >> > infocom >> > > > > game where you carry "no-tea" as an item in your inventory. Of >> > course, >> > > > in >> > > > > that it was meant to be comedy. Unfortunately, in the real world, >> > > that's >> > > > > not so true. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Sam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > It's not a lie if it's not an affirmation. If you are >> religiously >> > > > against >> > > > > > religion then you should not take the job. Until they cater to >> your >> > > > > > religious needs that is. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > . >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What other qualifications for office do you feel it would be >> okay >> > > to >> > > > > lie >> > > > > > > about? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Sam <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I don't consider it an affirmation, but I understand if you >> do. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > . >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > true, but the point was being made that it's okay if you >> > don't >> > > > > > believe >> > > > > > > > > because technically it's not lying. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a lie is a lie regardless of how easy it is to expose. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If I apply for office in Texas and I affirm that I believe >> > in a >> > > > > > higher >> > > > > > > > > power, is that not a lie just because it can't be proven >> > > easily? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Scott Stroz < >> > > [email protected] >> > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It is a lot easier, I think, to verify someone has a >> degree >> > > > than >> > > > > > > verify >> > > > > > > > > > that they believe in some kind of deity. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:366667 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
