FWIW here is the actual interview, for a skeptic I'm very impressed. http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > A few more: > > "The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things," the pope said, > "in small-minded rules." > > "The people of God want pastors," Francis continued, "not clergy acting > like bureaucrats or government officials." > "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the > use of contraceptive methods," he told his Jesuit interviewer. "I have not > spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that." > > "It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," Francis > said. > > (SMALL MINDED THINGS! I love it!) > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > Don't say that out loud. The Evangelists might burn him at the stake. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Jerry, go read the latest interview just released with Francis. His > > > frank statements are outstanding: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?hp&_r=0 > > > > > > My favorites: > > > > > > A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of > > > homosexuality, he told Father Spadaro. I replied with another > question: > > > Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence > > of > > > this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We must > always > > > consider the person. > > > > > > AND > > > > > > This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a > > > small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people, he > > said. > > > We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest > > protecting > > > our mediocrity. > > > > > > Dare I say that we have a major Christian leader > > acting.....Christ-like???? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Catholic Church is such an interesting dichotomy. It's really two > > > very > > > > separate entities...there's "The Catholic Church", with it's Capital > C > > > and > > > > it's structured leadership and weird doctrines going back thousands > of > > > > years that have to be followed and protected at all costs and it's > > strict > > > > dogma and practices and blah blah blah. > > > > > > > > Then there's "the catholic church"....the actual followers...the > every > > > day > > > > catholics that you meet on the street. By and large, they are pretty > > > > normal. Not prone to evangelicalism or zealotry. They love their > vices, > > > > specially drinking and gambling. They usually take their faith "sorta > > > > seriously"...going to church here and there. They certainly don't > > concern > > > > themselves much with Rome or the weird goings on of that Capital C > > church > > > > structure. > > > > > > > > What this pope seems to be doing...is to bridge that gap a little bit > > by > > > > bringing that Capital C a bit more in line with the every day > > > > catholic...and how they see the world and live their lives. The > average > > > > catholic is married....why shouldn't priests be? The average catholic > > has > > > > no problem with gays...why should the Church? The average catholic > uses > > > > contraception and family planning and....on and on... > > > > > > > > It's an interesting dynamic to watch. I wish Francis well! He's a > > > complete > > > > 180 from that ogre of a pope who, rightfully, resigned. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> The fascinating part is he has ME questioning and reexamining and > > > >> rethinking MY faith, even though I am not Catholic. > > > >> > > > >> To me, that is awe inspiring AND just about the definition of what > he > > > >> should be doing for his Church, and for the world. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > He's been great. From personally calling the single-mother-to-be > > that > > > >> had > > > >> > written him, to suggesting....finally...that celibacy amongst > > priests > > > is > > > >> > NOT part of church doctrine, but instead a stupid traditional > > practice > > > >> that > > > >> > needs to end. ("stupid traditional practice" were my words :) > > > >> > > > > >> > Also his comments on homosexuality have been encouraging, > especially > > > the > > > >> > "who am i to judge?" comment awhile back. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > > > [email protected] > > > >> > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Actually, I submit he is _biblically_ conservative, and he is > > > correct > > > >> > that > > > >> > > the recent negative focus has harmed the church. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > So far, he is my kind of pope. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Here's the full article. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=tw-share > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > It appears that the guy the conclave elected was not the > > > >> conservative > > > >> > > they > > > >> > > > hoped for. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Just saw this tweet > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > What a remarkable man. MT @lauriegnyt < > > > >> > https://twitter.com/lauriegnyt > > > >> > > >: > > > >> > > > > Pope says church too obsessed w/abortion, gay marriage & > > > >> > > contraception. > > > >> > > > > http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d <http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > >> > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > >> > > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > >> > > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > >> > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > >> > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:367250 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
