religion of most kinds. All too often its words not deeds.
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > By "skeptic" do you mean "skeptical of organized religion in general, and > Catholicism in particular?" > > If so, me too. I was raised Catholic, but just couldn't deal with the > pointless bureaucracy and the unyielding and unrealistic adherence to > backwards morality (contraception) and human-constructed institutions of > bias (homosexuality). I just figured these were so entrenched that there > was no way the Capital C "Catholic Church" would ever address them....so I > basically gave up. > > Now to read some of these words.......i remain skeptical, but I've never > seen a Pope talk like this...and truly never thought I would. Will be VERY > interesting to see what happens with the world's largest religion over the > next decade or so. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > FWIW here is the actual interview, for a skeptic I'm very impressed. > > > > http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > A few more: > > > > > > "The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things," the pope > > said, > > > "in small-minded rules." > > > > > > "The people of God want pastors," Francis continued, "not clergy acting > > > like bureaucrats or government officials." > > > "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and > > the > > > use of contraceptive methods," he told his Jesuit interviewer. "I have > > not > > > spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that." > > > > > > "It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," Francis > > > said. > > > > > > (SMALL MINDED THINGS! I love it!) > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don't say that out loud. The Evangelists might burn him at the stake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Jerry, go read the latest interview just released with Francis. > > His > > > > > frank statements are outstanding: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?hp&_r=0 > > > > > > > > > > My favorites: > > > > > > > > > > A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of > > > > > homosexuality, he told Father Spadaro. I replied with another > > > question: > > > > > Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the > > existence > > > > of > > > > > this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We must > > > always > > > > > consider the person. > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, > > not a > > > > > small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people, > he > > > > said. > > > > > We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest > > > > protecting > > > > > our mediocrity. > > > > > > > > > > Dare I say that we have a major Christian leader > > > > acting.....Christ-like???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The Catholic Church is such an interesting dichotomy. It's really > > two > > > > > very > > > > > > separate entities...there's "The Catholic Church", with it's > > Capital > > > C > > > > > and > > > > > > it's structured leadership and weird doctrines going back > thousands > > > of > > > > > > years that have to be followed and protected at all costs and > it's > > > > strict > > > > > > dogma and practices and blah blah blah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's "the catholic church"....the actual followers...the > > > every > > > > > day > > > > > > catholics that you meet on the street. By and large, they are > > pretty > > > > > > normal. Not prone to evangelicalism or zealotry. They love their > > > vices, > > > > > > specially drinking and gambling. They usually take their faith > > "sorta > > > > > > seriously"...going to church here and there. They certainly don't > > > > concern > > > > > > themselves much with Rome or the weird goings on of that Capital > C > > > > church > > > > > > structure. > > > > > > > > > > > > What this pope seems to be doing...is to bridge that gap a little > > bit > > > > by > > > > > > bringing that Capital C a bit more in line with the every day > > > > > > catholic...and how they see the world and live their lives. The > > > average > > > > > > catholic is married....why shouldn't priests be? The average > > catholic > > > > has > > > > > > no problem with gays...why should the Church? The average > catholic > > > uses > > > > > > contraception and family planning and....on and on... > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an interesting dynamic to watch. I wish Francis well! He's a > > > > > complete > > > > > > 180 from that ogre of a pope who, rightfully, resigned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The fascinating part is he has ME questioning and reexamining > and > > > > > >> rethinking MY faith, even though I am not Catholic. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To me, that is awe inspiring AND just about the definition of > what > > > he > > > > > >> should be doing for his Church, and for the world. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > He's been great. From personally calling the > single-mother-to-be > > > > that > > > > > >> had > > > > > >> > written him, to suggesting....finally...that celibacy amongst > > > > priests > > > > > is > > > > > >> > NOT part of church doctrine, but instead a stupid traditional > > > > practice > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> > needs to end. ("stupid traditional practice" were my words :) > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Also his comments on homosexuality have been encouraging, > > > especially > > > > > the > > > > > >> > "who am i to judge?" comment awhile back. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > >> > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Actually, I submit he is _biblically_ conservative, and he > is > > > > > correct > > > > > >> > that > > > > > >> > > the recent negative focus has harmed the church. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > So far, he is my kind of pope. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > >> > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Here's the full article. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=tw-share > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > It appears that the guy the conclave elected was not the > > > > > >> conservative > > > > > >> > > they > > > > > >> > > > hoped for. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > > > >> > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Just saw this tweet > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What a remarkable man. MT @lauriegnyt < > > > > > >> > https://twitter.com/lauriegnyt > > > > > >> > > >: > > > > > >> > > > > Pope says church too obsessed w/abortion, gay > marriage & > > > > > >> > > contraception. > > > > > >> > > > > http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d <http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > > >> > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > >> > > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > > > >> > > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > >> > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > >> > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > > > >> > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:367252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
