Yes, but once again, Yamamoto was head of the enemy military in a declared war and the action happened behind enemy lines. I think we can all agree that that case is pretty clear. None of those things was true in the case of al-Awlaki. Doesn't mean it wasn't justified but it does mean that the cases are not comparable.
Judah On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > But regarding Yamamoto - the US broke the codes (as what happened with > al-Awlaki) > and the equivalent of a flight of P-38's killed him. The issue is of his > son. He stayed with the AQ affiliates when he had more than one opportunity > to get to safety. He was involved. > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > First off, I didn't say it was not justified. I am merely pointing out > that > > your argument that it was a battlefield killing is dead wrong (pun > > intended). > > > > Now, what kind of assassinations are justified and which are not? That is > > an interesting question and I can't say that I have all the answers. I > > will, however, point out some differences. If a person belongs to an > enemy > > organization and is in enemy territory and you send in covert ops for a > > targeted killing, it seems like you are on pretty safe ground. That would > > cover (I believe) all the cases you mention. > > > > al-Awlaki, however, was not a declared member of Al Queda (I believe) and > > was not in enemy territory. Though his support of Al Queda was such that > > you might argue that it is a difference without a distinction. It still > is > > the case that he was not in enemy territory. So that is one difference to > > be sure. The other difference is that he is an American citizen. That > means > > something. And if nothing else, it surely must mean a far higher standard > > of scrutiny for extra-judicial killing by his own government. Maybe the > > Obama admin meets that scrutiny. I think they might, though I also have > > doubts. But do not pretend that it is anything at all like trying to take > > out Yamamoto behind enemy lines. > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > What do snipers do? During Vietnam there was an active program of > > > assassinating Viet Cong leadership and commisars. Same happened in WW2 > - > > > e.g., Admiral Yamamoto? Seriously what is the difference? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are conflating battles and assassinations, Larry. > al-Awlaki > > > was > > > > an assassination. They tracked him down, targeted him, killed him. It > > was > > > > specific to him and not part of any battle. You can argue that it > was a > > > > justified assassination if you like but I don't think it is > reasonable > > to > > > > argue that it was a kill in a active battlefield. > > > > > > > > The Bush Admin tried to get us to believe that the whole world is > > active > > > > battlefield. Get 'em there, before they get us here! I rejected that > > > > argument then and I reject it now. I don't care what party is pushing > > > that > > > > line, that's not the world I want to live in and I don't believe it > is > > > > true. > > > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Larry C. Lyons < > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the boy and his father were in arms against the US. It is no > > different > > > > than > > > > > the estimated 3000 Americans who fought for Germany in WW I and the > > > 1500 > > > > or > > > > > so who fought for the Nazi's in WW2. And in both cases (WW1 and > WW2) > > > > those > > > > > Americans were killed without due process for the same reasons. > They > > > were > > > > > trying to kill other Americans in effectively an active > battlefield. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:39 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We aren't at war with Yemen. And we don't kill children for the > > sins > > > > of > > > > > > their fathers. > > > > > > > > > > > > How about illegal search and seizure? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone here deny that he is guilty of that beyond a > reasonable > > > > doubt? > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2013 5:35 PM, "Judah McAuley" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama ordered a drone strike targeting and killing a US > citizen, > > > > Anwar > > > > > > > al-Awlaki. His son (who was 16) was also killed is a subsequent > > > drone > > > > > > > strike but it is not clear that he was specifically targeted. > > Eric > > > > > Holder > > > > > > > has publicly admitted that al-Awlaki was targeted and that they > > > knew > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > a citizen. His citizenship was never revoked. The > administration > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > it under rules of war being conducted on foreign soil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Justin Scott < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Murder > > > > > > > > > He admitted it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh? Who? What evidence? (I'm asking seriously, I don't > > follow > > > > > > > > politics much but if Obama had knocked someone off during a > > > > > > > > convenience store robbery I'm sure I'd have heard about it, > so > > it > > > > > must > > > > > > > > be more nuanced than that). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:367827 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
