Good point, Mike. Anyone who does not subscribe to a best practice, once published, is LAZY.
... buzz, whir, click, powering down the sarcasm unit .... C.S. Pierce said that beliefs are those tenacious ideas we hold which guide our actions. They rarely change, and almost never do so in the absence of doubt. Once you convince someone there is a better way to do something, your work is not finished. The next step is to convince them to change the way they are already doing it, and this step is often the toughest. Were it otherwise, life could be explained in a big set of rules and all anyone would ever have to do is read those rules to be happy and prosperous. Sadly, not even programming CF is that simple. M -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:44 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Throwing the baby back OK, now I've got to stop a fight. :) Fusebox was born to do 3 things: 1. organize code 2. modularize code 3. teach/enforce best practices The first was done rather well. We gave structure to apps that were usually just thrown into one or two directories. Even the app I'm working on is well organized directory wise. The second has some issues that I've had problems with since day 1. The use of local/global files over application.cfm, the plunking of all passed vars into a single scope, etc. I expect that to change some with componants, but.... The third part is where Fusebox and all of CF has failed for some (many) people. There are best practices to writing tight code. There are best practices to writing clean code. There are even best practices to writing code that doesn't make you look like a first week coder. These are where people just lie down and die. We have lots of docs written by myself and many others that explain topics to minute levels. Hal puts out Fusebox papers all the time. Why is this not helping people? Because they're to lazy to read the papers. They're to lazy to read the lists till they have a question. We have a little over 1800 people on the CF-Talk list. Why? We should have many more. Is it the volume? No. 250 posts a day can easily be deleted and the new archives makes reading threads easy. Is it the OT content? Nope. 95% of the OT content is here rather than there. Is it because people just don't know about the list? Could be. But I really think its because people just don't want to look for new information. They're quite willing to accept an answer when they have a question, but something new? nah. So I come to end a fight about fusebox and instead insult the mass of programmers out there who just don't give a damn. I'm on a roll here. :) > /me tries to start a fight > > Fusebox sucks! It now does a wonderful job of vastly over complicating a > beautifully simply language, and imho causes far more issues than it solves. > > However, I can see the advantage of using it on large projects with lots of > programmers, but as I usually work alone or with one other programmer it's > next to no advantage for me. > > /me sits back and waits for the flying stale muffins > > -----Original Message----- > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 16 July 2002 13:54 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Throwing the baby back > > > Don't let Hal Helms hear you say that. > > The Fusebox specification is a set of core files which are distributed with > a demo to help you learn how to work. In addition, several companies have > been releasing 'add-ons' such as FuseQ which aid in Fusebox development. > > Maybe the Fusebox council needs to do a little more to promote awareness of > their product. > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:06 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Throwing the baby back > > > --=====================_342938296==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > I know the subject of "Fusebox" has been hacked to bits many times over > on the cf-talk list. > > But, as of last time I checked, the only fusebox "specification" was some > sample code files. That leaves too much about the methodology open to > interpretation. Fusebox seems to be a way to organize files and code, but > does not inherently teach good coding practices. > > The Fusebox folks are supposed to be working on a real specification, and > if so I cannot wait until they release that, because it'll change the > "game" so to speak. > > At 07:49 AM 7/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:05:55 -0400 > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz) > >Subject: Throwing the baby back > >Message-ID: <07df01c22c7e$15f319b0$6401a8c0@seferot> > > > >Years ago I helped give birth to what was supposed to be something great > >for CF; a methodology to help organize code and enforce best practices. If > >I knew then what I knew now, I'd have tried to kill it before it got > started. > >Yes, I'm ranting a bit. I'm helping out a friend with a project and > >modifying a commercial product (one he paid money for). Now you'd expect > >that a commercial product would have good code, right? You'd expect that a > >product that supposedly followed a methodology would have good code, > >right? That the code would be written intelligently, that it would not > >repeat itself or fall over itself, right? Well, this code is poorly > >written, does not use any best practices (I see CFSETs with pound signs > >around everything), uses one of the Fusebox methodologies (one of as the > >methodology has splintered) and is just not good code. And I have to make > >it good code. > >I'm going to start CF classes. If you write bad code, you get hit with a > >shock prod. If you release bad code, you get abused by a large bull (let > >your imagination run free here). It'll be learn it right and tight or wish > >you were in a Turkish jail being interrogated by Abdul. > ><end of rant> > > > >Michael Dinowitz > >Master of the House of Fusion > >http://www.houseoffusion.com > > > > -- > Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Need a Web Developer? Contact me! > AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 > -- > My CFMX Book: > <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20> > My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com > My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com > --=====================_342938296==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > <html> > <br> > I know the subject of "Fusebox" has been hacked to bits > many times over on the cf-talk list. <br> > <br> > But, as of last time I checked, the only fusebox > "specification" was some sample code files. That leaves > too much about the methodology open to interpretation. Fusebox > seems to be a way to organize files and code, but does not inherently > teach good coding practices. <br><br> > The Fusebox folks are supposed to be working on a real > specification, and if so I cannot wait until they release that, because > it'll change the "game" so to speak. > <br><br> > At 07:49 AM 7/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:<br><br> > <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:05:55 > -0400<br> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)<br> > Subject: Throwing the baby back<br> > Message-ID: <07df01c22c7e$15f319b0$6401a8c0@seferot><br><br> > Years ago I helped give birth to what was supposed to be something great > for CF; a methodology to help organize code and enforce best practices. > If I knew then what I knew now, I'd have tried to kill it before it got > started. <br> > Yes, I'm ranting a bit. I'm helping out a friend with a project and > modifying a commercial product (one he paid money for). Now you'd expect > that a commercial product would have good code, right? You'd expect that > a product that supposedly followed a methodology would have good code, > right? That the code would be written intelligently, that it would not > repeat itself or fall over itself, right? Well, this code is poorly > written, does not use any best practices (I see CFSETs with pound signs > around everything), uses one of the Fusebox methodologies (one of as the > methodology has splintered) and is just not good code. And I have to make > it good code. <br> > I'm going to start CF classes. If you write bad code, you get hit with a > shock prod. If you release bad code, you get abused by a large bull (let > your imagination run free here). It'll be learn it right and tight or > wish you were in a Turkish jail being interrogated by Abdul.<br> > <end of rant><br><br> > Michael Dinowitz<br> > Master of the House of Fusion<br> > <a href="http://www.houseoffusion.com/"; > eudora="autourl">http://www.houseoffusion.com</a></blockquote><br><br> > <x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep> > --<br> > Jeffry Houser | > <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; > eudora="autourl">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> > <br> > Need a Web Developer? 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