Uh oh...we're all in trouble again.  Larry and I agree!  Watch out for more
devastating earthquakes!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??


> I am alive because of animal research. I support animal research. Let me
put
> it this way, to quote a late night comedian, if the cure for AIDS required
> you to put a couple of electrodes on the head of a monkey and create fried
> monkey brains all I have to say remember red is for negative and black is
> for positive.
>
> In other words given the choice between an animal and a human, the human
> would win out regularly.
>
> Besides if you were a tiger you'd probably not feel as you describe. As a
> tiger you couldn't articulate those thoughts.
>
> larry
>
> --
> Larry C. Lyons
> ColdFusion/Web Developer
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> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> --
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:phoeunp@;entelligence.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:58 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> >
> >
> > What about their freedom?  Even though they are cared for and
> > well fed, they
> > still are only allowed what their human masters give them.
> > Rocks, trees,
> > people staring at them.  Man if I was a tiger I want to roam
> > around free.  I
> > don't know if animals have these kind of feelings, but if
> > they do, I hope
> > you would disagree with zoos.
> >
> > THink of it this way.  An alien species invades earth.  They
> > are quite kind.
> > They put us in this big Biodome where we can be humans and do
> > our thing,
> > while they study us, drop in a few chicks for us to mate with
> > so we don't
> > have to look, give us our food, does mostly everything for
> > us.  Wonder what
> > it must feel like!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:llyons@;ebstor.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:56 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> >
> > First off I am in no way a supporter of any group like PETA
> > or other radical
> > animal rights groups. If anything I am very much against their agenda.
> >
> > It also depends on what type of zoo you're talking about.
> > Many zoos are
> > quite good, the state and municipally sponsored zoos, and similar
> > organizations like the National Zoo are very active in
> > conservation, and
> > attempt to make the exhibits into an appropriate environment for the
> > animals.
> >
> > Most of the privately run zoos, typically the roadside
> > attraction kind, are
> > little better than hellholes. The animals are inadequately
> > housed and fed,
> > mistreated and in some cases actually tortured. Frankly these
> > private zoos
> > really should be run out of business. They belong to the same ignorant
> > primitive era as freak shows and dog fighting.
> >
> > larry
> >
> > --
> > Larry C. Lyons
> > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > EBStor.com
> > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > --
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@;hungrycow.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:27 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > >
> > >
> > > I disagree, in a zoo the animals are well cared for and they
> > > are fed.  They
> > > aren't put in tiny cages they can't stand up in and aren't
> > > intentionally
> > > wounded for profit.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeah it's bad.  And it's nothing different from a zoo either.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@;hungrycow.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:31 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's really sad.  I am very much against animal cruelty
> > > and it makes me
> > > > sick to see animals treated that way.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:09 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > SO that's where all the <A
> > > > >
> > > HREF="http://www.wspa-international.org/news/news-09.html";>BEA
> > > R BILE</a>
> > > > > goes!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jim Davis [mailto:jim@;depressedpress.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I tried these.  I went to the JellyBelly warehouse that is
> > > > > > near my house,
> > > > > > and they give free samples within the store.  When the woman
> > > > > > handed them
> > > > > > to me, I assumed that they just had disgusting names,
> > > but would taste
> > > > > > fine.  I was WRONG!  I tried half a bite of the vomit one and
> > > > > > spent the
> > > > > > next 10 minutes trying to get the taste out of my mouth.
> > > > > > After that, I
> > > > > > couldn't bring myself to try the booger one, or any of the
> > > > > > other flavors.
> > > > > > =(
> > > > >
> > > > > But remember - there's some poor group deep inside the
> > JellyBelly
> > > > > factory that usually gets assignments like "make sure
> > > this tastes of
> > > > > cherry".  For weeks they had to write reports on how close to
> > > > > vomit-flavored test jelly beans had become...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Test Number 142, Batch number 6,405: Closest yet,
> > > although it still has
> > > > > a marked rotten apple aftertaste.  Suggest more digestive
> > > acid and less
> > > > > fructose.  Please kill me."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that they earned there pensions right there.  And
> > > to think, some
> > > > > of them probbly complained when "pina colada" was being
> > tested...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Davis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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