Of course not, its more like a weighting scheme or predisposition to something. Each adds to the overall result. Some features, in this case, biological factors - genes and physiology etc, play a very deterministic role, but not exclusive role. The thing is that we do not know all the factors involved, therefore we can only give probabilistic answers, or educated guesses.
larry >Here's the problem. The way your making it sound below basically >says we have no >choice in the matter. If you've got the 'gay gene(s)' then your >going to be gay >no matter what. I just can not accept that scientifically. And that's besides >the 'it's determined early in pregnancy". >But that's just me. I believe that I am not a machine controlled by my genes. > >> All the available evidence suggest that whether you are attracted to >> the same or the opposite sex is determined very early on during >> pregnancy. If there is such a strong biological component to being >> straight or gay, then all the negative results with different >> conversion therapies fit. From what I remember, the only type of >> therapy that may have showed some promise was aversion therapy, where >> the client/victim would be shocked when they saw a picture of a >> naked man, and the shock was stopped, or the subject not shocked >> (relief conditioning) when shown a picture of a naked woman. >> >> Again no followup and there was no real details about the subjects. I >> suspect that over the long term the therapy did not work. >> >> larry >> >> >The story of that is a very interesting one. It basically >>involved a 'forced' >> >vote where those against were not allowed into the room. Once the >> >vote was made, >> >there was basically no turning back. Lots of controversy... >> > >> >> http://www.aap.org/policy/05072.html >> >> "In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association reclassified >>homosexuality >as >> >> a sexual orientation/expression rather than as a mental >>disorder. [1] The >> >> etiology of homosexuality remains unclear, but the current >>literature and >> >> the vast majority of scholars in this field state that one's sexual >> >> orientation is not a choice, that is, individuals no more choose to be >> >> homosexual than heterosexual." >> >> >> >> http://www.psych.org/pract_of_psych/copptherapyaddendum83100.cfm >> >> "...the American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric >treatment, >> >> such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the >assumption >> >> that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon >>the a priori >> >> assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual homosexual >> >> orientation." >> >> >> >> http://www.psych.org/public_info/homose~1.cfm >> >> "There are a few reports in the literature of efforts to use >> >> psychotherapeutic and counseling techniques to treat persons troubled by >> >> their homosexuality who desire to become heterosexual; however, results >have >> >> not been conclusive, nor have they been replicated. There is no evidence >> >> that any treatment can change a homosexual person's deep seated sexual >> >> feelings for others of the same sex. " >> >> >> > > http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html > > >> "Is Sexual Orientation a Choice? > > >> > > >> No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual > > >> orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence >without any prior >> >> sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on >>our feelings, >> >> psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a >>conscious choice >> >> that can be voluntarily changed." >> >> >> >> http://www.hrc.org/newsreleases/1998/981211apa.asp >> >> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/resolution97_comment.html >> >> http://www.covenantnetwork.org/chgther.html >> >> >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:49 PM >> >> > To: CF-Community > > >> > Subject: Re: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Actually, it is. No amount of research has shown for a fact that >> >> > you are forced >> >> > to be gay or not. There has been some research to show that there >> >> > are things >> >> > that may make someone more inclined in that area, but the same > > >> > can be said for >> >> > many other behavioral choices. >> >> > On that same note, there is research to indicate that religion, >> >> > or the belief in >> >> > the divine has a biological component as well. As this puts >> > > > homosexuality on the >> > > > same biological level as religion, to bash one is to allow >>the bashing >of >> > > > another. Lets add in left handed people as well just for >>good measure. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Homosexuality is usually not a choice. >> >> > > >> >> > > -Kevin >> >> > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > From: William H. Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:39 AM >> >> > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I find it interesting that homosexuality is considered a >> >> > > > "lifestyle" choice >> >> > > > whereas religious faith is not. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > <cf_flamesuit condition=on> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > will >> >> > > > ---- >> >> > > > >> >> > > > William H. Bowen >> >> > > > Webmaster >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business >> >> > > > >> >> > > > "Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" >> >> > > > >> >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > http://www.esca.com/ >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 425.739.3629 Voice >> >> > > > 425.466.7016 Cell >> >> > > > 425.739.3690 FAX >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > > From: "Matthew Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:34 AM >> >> > > > Subject: RE: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Well, you got your flame :-) >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > First of all, I would say that you need to read the Bible >> >> > in order to >> >> > > > > understand it, and then there are things that either humans are >not >> >> > > > > meant to understand or their meaning has not been revealed yet. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Second, I respect your right to disbelieve and disagree but >> >> > not to bash. >> >> > > > > Just two or three days ago, this list (publicly, at least) >> >> > was all about >> >> > > > > protecting the homosexual lifestyle and routing out the bigots. >My >> >> > > > > faith is as important to me as anybody else's lifestyle. >> >> > Saying that >> >> > > > > war is all due to the Christian Bible is like saying that >> >> > poverty is due >> >> > > > > to the blacks, or that all Muslims are looking to bomb your >> >> > workspace. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm not upset, I just want the respect that every other >> >> > lifestyle seems >> >> > > > > to enjoy. It seems like bashing Christians for their faith >> >> > is ok these >> >> > > > > days. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Matthew Small >> >> > > > > IT Supervisor >> >> > > > > Showstopper National Dance Competitions >> >> > > > > 3660 Old Kings Hwy >> >> > > > > Murrells Inlet, SC 29576 >> >> > > > > 843-357-1847 >> >> > > > > http://www.showstopperonline.com >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:13 AM >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > i for one agree totally >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > From: cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > > Sent: 05 December 2002 16:22 >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > It's no wonder the world is at war. One chapter say's this > > >> > and the next >> >> > > > > contradicts but nobody can get the point. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Well there was a South Park episode that got it right. This book >was >> >> > > > > meant >> >> > > > > as an example not as law and certainly not a prelude for war. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Expecting Flames > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Rick >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:19 AM >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > Subject: Warning: This may offend if religious >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > http://justdrew.net/Biblical/ >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > This guy basically goes through the bible pointing out >> >> > inconsistancies >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Some are pretty funny/strange, but damn interesting >>none the less >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Oh, and the links he points out goto a site that only >>has the New >> >> > > > > Testament, not the Old, so quite a few don't work >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Philip Arnold >> >> > > > > Technical Director >> >> > > > > Certified ColdFusion Developer >> > > > > > > ASP Multimedia Limited >> >> > > > > Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 >> >> > > > > Fax: +44 (0)20 8686 7911 >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > www.aspmedia.co.uk >> >> > > > > www.aspevents.net >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > An ISO9001 registered company. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > ********************************************************************** >> >> > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are >>confidential and >> >> > > > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom >they >> >> > > > > are addressed. 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