so tell us, Bill, what does CBT mean in certain circles??
-Ben
> cognitive behavior therapy.
>
> larry
>
> At 04:40 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Please tell me what CBT means and i am praying it doesnt mean what i think
> >it means in
> >certain circles :) LOL
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:34 PM
> >Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam)
> >
> >
> > > Probably CBT is the most popular approach to psychotherapy, or I should
> >say
> > > the therapist's interpretation of it. It sounds like its an approach that
> > > works with you.
> > >
> > > larry
> > >
> > > At 04:06 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Actually, this looks remarkably like the approach my therapist takes with
> > > >me. Being a smart cookie, I react well to logical, rational cognative
> > > >therapies that let me get at the root of why I'm feeling like I am and
> >(when
> > > >it works) use that knowledge to either change non-productive problematic
> > > >feelings into things that lend themselves more to positive change or let
> >me
> > > >ignore my feelings just long enough to get past some completely
> >irrational
> > > >hangup. :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-- Ben Doom
> > > > Programmer & General Lackey
> > > > Moonbow Software, Inc
> > > >
> > > >: -----Original Message-----
> > > >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:45 PM
> > > >: To: CF-Community
> > > >: Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam)
> > > >:
> > > >:
> > > >: You could look at my master's thesis,
> > > >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/thesis/ ,
> > > >: it explains some of the theoretical aspects of it. But in a nutshell
> >the
> > > >: idea is that irrational or maladaptive beliefs, (i.e., thoughts
> > > >: with errors
> > > >: in content or logical structure) are at the basic core of emotional and
> > > >: psychological distress.
> > > >:
> > > >: The web site for the Albert Ellis Institute in New York has some
> > > >: good links
> > > >: and explanations of REBT, here's a link to the faq on REBT:
> > > >: http://www.rebt.org/about/whatisrebt.asp
> > > >:
> > > >: regards,
> > > >: larry
> > > >:
> > > >: At 01:47 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >: >Um. I'm not sure where I was incorrect. I think we both said that
> > > >: >medication is not nearly as effective by itself as in
> > > >: conjunction with other
> > > >: >therapies -- you just were more straightforward.
> > > >: >
> > > >: >I was amazed at how much information the article provided
> > > >: without actually
> > > >: >giving away much information about what RET or REBT actually
> > > >: does. :-) I'd
> > > >: >be interested in reading about it if you have any links to something
> >more
> > > >: >descriptive. If not, I'll just Google it later, so don't worry
> > > >: about it too
> > > >: >much.
> > > >: >
> > > >: >And yeah, so far mixing cognitive therapy, light therapy,
> > > >: antidepressants,
> > > >: >and getting my head shrunk every other week seems to be working for me
> > > >: >pretty well. :-)
> > > >: >
> > > >: >
> > > >: >-- Ben Doom
> > > >: > Programmer & General Lackey
> > > >: > Moonbow Software, Inc
> > > >: >
> > > >: >: -----Original Message-----
> > > >: >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:31 PM
> > > >: >: To: CF-Community
> > > >: >: Subject: Re: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam)
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >: Um Ben,
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >: you may be a bit incorrect there. The research does show that
> >cognitive
> > > >: >: therapy for depression can be as effective as medication. When
> > > >: >: the two are
> > > >: >: used in conjunction the effectiveness of both approaches can be
> > > >: >: substantially increased. In my own research (see
> > > >: >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/maret/RETstudy1.htm) we found that
> > > >: >: REBT, a form
> > > >: >: of cognitive behavioral therapy, was very effective.
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >: But the approach you suggest is a good one.
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >: larry
> > > >: >:
> > > >: >: At 12:26 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >: >: >Keep in mind that, if things like cognitive therapies don't work by
> > > >: >: >themselves, there's nothing wrong with antidepressants.
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >The problem I see with how they are used today is that they are
> > > >: >: like modern
> > > >: >: >snake oil -- supposedly a panacea (how do you spell that?).
> > > >: >: That isn't how
> > > >: >: >they should be used. I take antidepressants in order to give
> > > >: me enough
> > > >: >: >balance for things like cognitive therapy, excersize, light
> > > >: therapy, and
> > > >: >: >just doing things that please me to control my depression.
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >And sometimes it's necessary to have that help. Yesterday, for
> > > >: >: example, I
> > > >: >: >got my psychiatrist to bump my dosage for a couple of months
> > > >: >: because I seem
> > > >: >: >to have seasonal affective disorder and weeks on end of one
> > > >: sunny day in
> > > >: >: >seven was destroying me. But I don't expect that to
> > > >: magically make it go
> > > >: >: >away -- just make it bearable enough that I have the energy and
> > > >: >: motivation
> > > >: >: >to do the things I need to do to make it go away.
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >People talk about it being a crutch, but isn't that what you need
> >when
> > > >: >: >you've got a broken leg?
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >Did that all make sense?
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >I'm certainly not advocating 'jumping on the meds bandwagon' but
> > > >: >: I do hope
> > > >: >: >you'll keep an open mind to it.
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >-- Ben Doom
> > > >: >: > Programmer & General Lackey
> > > >: >: > Moonbow Software, Inc
> > > >: >: >
> > > >: >: >: -----Original Message-----
> > > >: >: >: From: Stephenie Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:02 PM
> > > >: >: >: To: CF-Community
> > > >: >: >: Subject: RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: Ug. This is sad...
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: My oldest has been battling some depression lately (he is 16) and
> >it
> > > >: >: >: scares me. But we are working together to try different things
> > > >: >: before we
> > > >: >: >: just jump on the meds bandwagon.
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: ~~
> > > >: >: >: Stephenie
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: -----Original Message-----
> > > >: >: >: From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:20 AM
> > > >: >: >: To: CF-Community
> > > >: >: >: Subject: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/56497p-52905c.html
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: How dumb to people have to be???
> > > >: >: >:
> > > >: >: >: Or is it all part of Natural Selection?
> > > >: >: >:
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