HAHA it would have to be an email off list but it falls within the BDSM realm but with that you can probably figure it out
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > so tell us, Bill, what does CBT mean in certain circles?? > -Ben > > > cognitive behavior therapy. > > > > larry > > > > At 04:40 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Please tell me what CBT means and i am praying it doesnt mean what i think > > >it means in > > >certain circles :) LOL > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:34 PM > > >Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > > > > > > > > > > Probably CBT is the most popular approach to psychotherapy, or I should > > >say > > > > the therapist's interpretation of it. It sounds like its an approach that > > > > works with you. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > At 04:06 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Actually, this looks remarkably like the approach my therapist takes with > > > > >me. Being a smart cookie, I react well to logical, rational cognative > > > > >therapies that let me get at the root of why I'm feeling like I am and > > >(when > > > > >it works) use that knowledge to either change non-productive problematic > > > > >feelings into things that lend themselves more to positive change or let > > >me > > > > >ignore my feelings just long enough to get past some completely > > >irrational > > > > >hangup. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ben Doom > > > > > Programmer & General Lackey > > > > > Moonbow Software, Inc > > > > > > > > > >: -----Original Message----- > > > > >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:45 PM > > > > >: To: CF-Community > > > > >: Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > > > > >: > > > > >: > > > > >: You could look at my master's thesis, > > > > >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/thesis/ , > > > > >: it explains some of the theoretical aspects of it. But in a nutshell > > >the > > > > >: idea is that irrational or maladaptive beliefs, (i.e., thoughts > > > > >: with errors > > > > >: in content or logical structure) are at the basic core of emotional and > > > > >: psychological distress. > > > > >: > > > > >: The web site for the Albert Ellis Institute in New York has some > > > > >: good links > > > > >: and explanations of REBT, here's a link to the faq on REBT: > > > > >: http://www.rebt.org/about/whatisrebt.asp > > > > >: > > > > >: regards, > > > > >: larry > > > > >: > > > > >: At 01:47 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >: >Um. I'm not sure where I was incorrect. I think we both said that > > > > >: >medication is not nearly as effective by itself as in > > > > >: conjunction with other > > > > >: >therapies -- you just were more straightforward. > > > > >: > > > > > >: >I was amazed at how much information the article provided > > > > >: without actually > > > > >: >giving away much information about what RET or REBT actually > > > > >: does. :-) I'd > > > > >: >be interested in reading about it if you have any links to something > > >more > > > > >: >descriptive. If not, I'll just Google it later, so don't worry > > > > >: about it too > > > > >: >much. > > > > >: > > > > > >: >And yeah, so far mixing cognitive therapy, light therapy, > > > > >: antidepressants, > > > > >: >and getting my head shrunk every other week seems to be working for me > > > > >: >pretty well. :-) > > > > >: > > > > > >: > > > > > >: >-- Ben Doom > > > > >: > Programmer & General Lackey > > > > >: > Moonbow Software, Inc > > > > >: > > > > > >: >: -----Original Message----- > > > > >: >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:31 PM > > > > >: >: To: CF-Community > > > > >: >: Subject: Re: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: Um Ben, > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: you may be a bit incorrect there. The research does show that > > >cognitive > > > > >: >: therapy for depression can be as effective as medication. When > > > > >: >: the two are > > > > >: >: used in conjunction the effectiveness of both approaches can be > > > > >: >: substantially increased. In my own research (see > > > > >: >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/maret/RETstudy1.htm) we found that > > > > >: >: REBT, a form > > > > >: >: of cognitive behavioral therapy, was very effective. > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: But the approach you suggest is a good one. > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: larry > > > > >: >: > > > > >: >: At 12:26 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >: >: >Keep in mind that, if things like cognitive therapies don't work by > > > > >: >: >themselves, there's nothing wrong with antidepressants. > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >The problem I see with how they are used today is that they are > > > > >: >: like modern > > > > >: >: >snake oil -- supposedly a panacea (how do you spell that?). > > > > >: >: That isn't how > > > > >: >: >they should be used. I take antidepressants in order to give > > > > >: me enough > > > > >: >: >balance for things like cognitive therapy, excersize, light > > > > >: therapy, and > > > > >: >: >just doing things that please me to control my depression. > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >And sometimes it's necessary to have that help. Yesterday, for > > > > >: >: example, I > > > > >: >: >got my psychiatrist to bump my dosage for a couple of months > > > > >: >: because I seem > > > > >: >: >to have seasonal affective disorder and weeks on end of one > > > > >: sunny day in > > > > >: >: >seven was destroying me. But I don't expect that to > > > > >: magically make it go > > > > >: >: >away -- just make it bearable enough that I have the energy and > > > > >: >: motivation > > > > >: >: >to do the things I need to do to make it go away. > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >People talk about it being a crutch, but isn't that what you need > > >when > > > > >: >: >you've got a broken leg? > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >Did that all make sense? > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >I'm certainly not advocating 'jumping on the meds bandwagon' but > > > > >: >: I do hope > > > > >: >: >you'll keep an open mind to it. > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >-- Ben Doom > > > > >: >: > Programmer & General Lackey > > > > >: >: > Moonbow Software, Inc > > > > >: >: > > > > > >: >: >: -----Original Message----- > > > > >: >: >: From: Stephenie Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:02 PM > > > > >: >: >: To: CF-Community > > > > >: >: >: Subject: RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: Ug. This is sad... > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: My oldest has been battling some depression lately (he is 16) and > > >it > > > > >: >: >: scares me. But we are working together to try different things > > > > >: >: before we > > > > >: >: >: just jump on the meds bandwagon. > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: ~~ > > > > >: >: >: Stephenie > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: -----Original Message----- > > > > >: >: >: From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:20 AM > > > > >: >: >: To: CF-Community > > > > >: >: >: Subject: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/56497p-52905c.html > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: How dumb to people have to be??? > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: Or is it all part of Natural Selection? > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: Philip Arnold > > > > >: >: >: Technical Director > > > > >: >: >: Certified ColdFusion Developer > > > > >: >: >: ASP Multimedia Limited > > > > >: >: >: Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 > > > > >: >: >: Fax: +44 (0)20 8686 7911 > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: www.aspmedia.co.uk > > > > >: >: >: www.aspevents.net > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: An ISO9001 registered company. > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: >: >: > > > > >: ********************************************************************** > > > > >: >: >: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > > > >: >: >: intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > > > > >: >: whom they are > > > > >: >: >: addressed. 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