When people give up the rules imposed and simply worship themselves and the world they live in, is that not religion? Faith in their own existence, and the existence of others. A belief that what you do has an effect on your life, which in turn changes the lives of others. How is this not religion? Heck, just as a person believes in the existence of others, a person can believe in the existence of a god. So it doesn't even preclude a deity if you so believe. Or believe in science if that makes more sense to you.
Ultimately, we have to take some things on faith. Our very understanding of existence is predicated on the senses with which we receive information. Our senses become a layer of abstraction through which we must interpret the world. We must believe in what we see and feel is true, and thus have faith that the very universe exists. But in order for us to even interact with a universe, we must first believe in our own existence within that universe. The self is god. Cogito ergo sum. -Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:39 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: In a nutshell > > > But by that definition, EVERY religion is an organized > religion as each has their own set things. > > > > Central leaders aren't the requirement of an organized religion. > > Judaism has a codex, synagogues, rabbis, defined sacred days, etc. > > Those are all part and parcel with being an organized religion. > > > > Basically, any time a person tells another person, "here > are the rules > > to follow for this religion", then it's organized. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:20 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: In a nutshell > > > > > > > > > Most religions are not 'organized'. Can you name the > central Jewish > > > leader? Central Hindu one? Wiccan? > > > > > > > > > > When people realize that they themselves _are_ god, then > > > there is no > > > > need to shed anything but the organized aspect of religion. > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:07 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: In a nutshell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That assumes that the Torah is a human document which you > > > have every > > > > > right to hold. Others disagree. Many, many others. > > > > > :) The problem, as I mentioned in a different post is > that your > > > > > logic is hinged on humanity shedding its faith for > > > whatever reason. > > > > > I find many, many flaws in that logic. > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, but my original point was that there was a > > > "reason" someone > > > > > > wrote down which foods a person could or could not eat. > > > My logic > > > > > > assumes that there was no divine inscription on a tablet > > > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
