Well, that is your opinion and I respect that... I think because we're capable doesn't mean it's right.
Specialist tell us all the time that we are all capable of murder (and murderers tell us that its therapeutical).. should we do it? No.. Just because it's possible, it's not necessarily the correct route... I think inserting hooks into your body and hanging yourself is a little different then hypnotic therapy. But once again, do what you want to do... All I am saying is that "I" wouldn't do it.... :) I honestly think (IMHO) that there must be some side-effects to doing that... whether good or bad... I'm just wondering which out-weights the other more... That's why I originally posted.. I wanted to know what happened after.... (in other words now that there are 4 holes in your body...) Pablo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Today's Suspension > Pablo, > > The body was meant to handle such, because it can. There are a number of > different methods of pain control that work and work very effectively even > to the point of experiencing no pain during surgery. Every one knows of the > classic acupuncture examples. I know of one case where the person was > allergic to anesthetic and had to undergo very invasive exploratory > surgery. Her oncologist suggested that she contact my dissertation advisor > to see if hypnotic pain control would help. After receiving the appropriate > training and practice, she was able to go through surgery without any > anesthesia whatsoever. > > larry > > At 02:54 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Critz, > > > >I think in my opinion, "no" the body wasn't meant to take that type of > >abuse. Just because the body CAN take it, doesn't mean it SHOULD take it.. > > > >I mean they make automobile engines to go 200 miles and hour, but if you hit > >the max the engine rev chances are it will blow.. Same thing with the body, > >just because those endorphines are there, doesn't necessarily mean they > >should be used in this manner... > > > >But that's me, I also say if you want to do it and you're ok with it... then > >do what you want.. I am not one to judge you! :) All I'm saying is that > >there is no way in hell I'd do it ;) I saw Hellraiser as a kid... People and > >hooks don't sit well with me :) > > > >Pablo > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Critz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:46 PM > >Subject: Re: Today's Suspension > > > > > > > oi Pablo!! > > > > > > I would encourage you to have a read at: > > > http://www.bmezine.com/ritual/susp-faq.html > > > > > > like i said, i did it for personal reasons. I will be writing up > >an article on my experience > > > starting this evening. I'll be sure to post a copy to the list.... > > > > > > you say the body was not meant to go thru something like this... but > >wasn't it? isn't that why the > > > endorphines kick in? so that the body can cope? I think the body can take > >alot more than we realise. > > > > > > > > > Crit > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Monday, August 18, 2003, 3:07:38 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > PV> ok, why would you want to do this? :( > > > > > > PV> No offense, but there has to be some type of side effect to all this.. > >I > > > PV> mean the body was NOT meant to go through something like this (or even > > > PV> suspension), if it was then we'd have the "hook spots" already in > >place and > > > PV> we're all be called Neo or Trinity or Morpheous! ;) > > > > > > PV> It's all fine and dandy while you're doing it, but I want to know > >about the > > > PV> long time effect... are there any? I would think there would be... > > > > > > PV> Pablo > > > > > > PV> ----- Original Message ----- > > > PV> From: "Deanna Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > PV> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > PV> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:49 PM > > > PV> Subject: Re: Today's Suspension > > > > > > > > > >> I'm trying to remember who it was that was featured in a Modern > >Primitives > > > >> magazine back in the early 90's. He encased his genitals in plaster for > > > >> days. IIRC, the buildup of toxins in the system (from the inability to > > > >> eliminate) also makes you reach an altered state. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Sandy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:58 AM > > > >> Subject: RE: Today's Suspension > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > A Man called Horse took its suspension from a man in San Francisco > >who > > > >> calls > > > >> > himself Fakir Musafar. I've seen him talk and watched a video of him > > > >> > leading a ball dance (small needles through the flesh which are then > > > >> > attached to lightweight balls). The dancing with the balls pulling > >is > > > >> > supposed to generate the same kind of rush that Critter went through) > > > >> > > > > >> > http://www.bodyplay.com/ > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:42 AM > > > >> > To: CF-Community > > > >> > Subject: RE: Today's Suspension > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > That reminds me of the Plains Indians sun dance rituals, - black foot > > > PV> and > > > >> > sioux spring to mind. In the ritual a dancer would be suspended by > >hooks > > > >> > through the pectoral muscles - in front rather than in back. I know > >one > > > >> > person who did go through the ritual, and reported something similar > >to > > > >> > Critz. > > > >> > > > > >> > Did anyone see the movie "A Man Called Horse" starring Richard > >Harris? > > > PV> It > > > >> > showed something similar. > > > >> > > > > >> > alrry > > > >> > > > > >> > At 10:02 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, Heald, Tim wrote: > > > >> > >gratz man, > > > >> > > > > > >> > >The pics are great. Will pass them on to Chrissie, she'll love em. > > > PV> Good > > > >> > to > > > >> > >know it all went well, how are you feeling the day after? > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Timothy Heald > > > >> > >Information Systems Specialist > > > >> > >Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > >> > >U.S. Department of State > > > >> > >571.345.2235 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >-----Original Message----- > > > >> > >From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > >Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:01 PM > > > >> > >To: CF-Community > > > >> > >Subject: Today's Suspension > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >oi CF-Community,!! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/view.cfm?recordid=263 > > > >> > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/view.cfm?recordid=264 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > (if they are unappropriate Mike, feel free to remove them) I > >added > > > >> (nws) > > > >> > >to the second name...) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > so anyway, today was....is.... almost impossible to put into > >words. > > > >> It > > > >> > >was the most intense thing > > > >> > > I have ever done. The piercings themselves weren't too bad, we > > > PV> have > > > >> > two > > > >> > >piercers working on each > > > >> > > person, so two hooks are done at the same time. There > >is > > > PV> a > > > >> > >small, small rush from the > > > >> > > needles...nothing unlike any other piercing. Once I was finally > > > >> knotted > > > >> > >into the rig...and started > > > >> > > to stretch my way down the ladder....it was like this total > >haze... > > > PV> I > > > >> > had > > > >> > >my eyes closed, I could > > > >> > > hear the people around me talking....but they seemed so far > >away. > > > >> Once > > > >> > I > > > >> > >started walking about on > > > >> > > my toes, I lost track of exactly what position I was > > > PV> in.....which > > > >> > way > > > >> > >I was facing...etc etc.. > > > >> > > Once I was pretty much stretched, and pulled my feet up off of > > > PV> the > > > >> > >ground, I had one last, very > > > >> > > very strong surge of pain by hook #3, then everything became a > >bit > > > >> > >dreamy..... it was pretty wild > > > >> > > and definitely the break from reality I needed. I cannot wait > >till > > > PV> our > > > >> > >next meet :) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Crit > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >-- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >--- > > > >> > >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > PV> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
