Glad to know we're both on the same page ;)  Some day people who don't care
about this will get really burned & then will really care.  But they're like
repeat DUI'ers.  Until somebody gets killed, they keep doing it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Clean off
>
>
> Nail. Head. WHACK.
>
> People don't care about security. While I've mentioned that it's harder to
> implement in a large environment like a university (but they do try), I've
> found that small shops are often more lackadaisical about the issue. The
> ones I've helped don't have an IT person, and they generally think of
> security as being an issue for "the big guys" and not them.
>
> Your suggestions before would be great for these people, but
> getting them to
> actually care is the problem. Of course, I could go on about the same
> regarding copyright violations, but it's just not worth it. Society will
> crumble I tell you! CRUMBLE!
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Remus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:48 AM
> Subject: RE: Clean off
>
>
> > Well - again another angle - if your clients put an emphasis on
> security,
> > that would not be allowed.  Having the AntiVirus update automatically
> solves
> > one of those issues, however if they seriously cared about
> their security,
> > they would not allow / prevent those settings from being changed.
> > Evidently, they don't place that high of an emphasis on this, however.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Clean off
> > >
> > >
> > > : > I suppose to a point Universities are a different breed, but
> > > only due to
> > > : > the student's computers.  There of course shouldn't be a single
> > > : faculty or
> > > : > facilities computer infected.  You can mandate their
> > > security/antivirus
> > > : > settings.
> > > :
> > > : Optimist.
> > >
> > > Having several clients that do not update their antivirus despite our
> > > warnings, change security settings without asking, and
> routinely manage
> to
> > > screw up by doing precicely what we tell them not to do, I
> have to agree
> > > with Jochem.  Mandating is different from being obeyed.
> > >
> > > --BenD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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