Language" (whether it be CF or whatever), I might be tempted to hire an "X
Programmer." I certainly wouldn't hire someone who had a liberal arts
degree and no experience coding X. But if there were a liberal-arts person
who had solid X Programming experience, I would jump on them immediately.
Get the best of both worlds there.
I honestly believe there shouldn't be a job in IT that doesn't include "Must
be able to speak to non-IT people." But I can understand that in a large
enough organization (or even a small one that was doing primarily
development) you can probably also get away with hiring the poor
communicator.
I sit on a local 2-year college's CIS advisory board, and all I say almost
every time is "more liberal arts classes, better communication skills." But
there are those (say at the local hospital network, which is the largest
employer in the area) that are looking for a single-skill person (in that
case, COBOL, god bless those idiots).
My company is small (and getting smaller), and everyone needs to be able to
communicate & learn just about anything. It's just not an option to have
anything else here.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:32 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
ok, if you define the job to include "must be able to speak to non-IT
people" then I suppose you are right. I certainly think the liberal arts
are valuable - the interdisciplinary honors classes I "wasted" time on in
college were some of the best time I ever invested -- but if you really
had
to define a core skill for a code it would be proven ability to code, no?
Dana
Josh Remus writes:
> As far as I'm concerned, there's no coder-job that I can justify someone
who
> cannot communicate these days.
>
> If you have a well-defined hierarchy with enough people (IE: you have
> several coder-types underneath a manager who HAS communication skills &
> techie-skills), perhaps people with poor communication skills can still
be
> excellent coders, as long as they never have to get beyond that level OR
> speak coherently to someone other than their manager.
>
> I think the days of the stereotypical "IT-type hidden in the dark room"
are
> over. Or are beginning to be over. I think a well-rounded education
that
> includes a significant portion of liberal arts exposes a person on HOW
to
> learn anything & communicate effectively, which in the long-run makes a
more
> adaptive & effective employee.
>
> But that's just my opinion. And I certainly know CS-types who CAN
> communicate effectively. I just know plenty who can't. A good liberal
arts
> major can learn ANYTHING. A significantly-focused engineering-type
degree
> teaches the person ONE thing very well, but nothing else.
>
> My dos pesos.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
>
>
> to personal development. but to ability ot do the job?
>
> Dana
>
> Josh Remus writes:
>
> > I have a great degree in General Studies. I was originally a music
> major,
> > switched to CS, dropped out of school, and that was the only degree
I
> could
> > go back and complete in reasonable time.
> >
> > However - having said that - except for specific engineering-type
jobs
> > (which I don't considering cf-coding, in general), I think a
> well-rounded
> > humanities/arts degree means much more than a CS one.
> >
> > Not to start a flame war. I know too many CS/CE-types who have no
> ability
> > to communicate in any medium.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:49 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> >
> >
> > I would like to know how many people on the list actually have a
> CS/MIS
> > degree.
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > - Matt Small
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dana Tierney
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> >
> >
> > OK, I will concede that the SQl class was helpful. And despite
the
> focus
> > on
> > PASCAL in comp sci 1 and 2, I learned a lot about programming
per
> se.
> > But
> > whether I could have learned the same material without being
present
> in
> > a
> > classroom from 10 to 11 on Tuesdays and Thursdays is what I am
> > questioning.
> > I think so...
> >
> > Dana
> >
> > Dana
> >
> > Jeffry Houser writes:
> >
> > > If the classes you took focused on a language, I can
understand
> how
> > they
> > > may not be applicable to web development. But, a good
curriculum
> will
> > > concentrate on theory. I apply programming theory every day.
I'm
> > sure
> > > that many will agree that to get anywhere when building
dynamic
> web
> > pages
> > > you need to know something about database design.
> > >
> > > At 01:05 AM 10/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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